[emart]

even though i disagree with the death penalty, which you can argue against since this man did take another man's life so why not take his, some people really don't deserve to be walking and breathing and it would not sadden me one bit if they happened to die in a 'firearm related accident' or something of the sort while in police custody. some people are just so mentally unprepared for living i don't know if there is enough help in the world for them.

[ziggy]

hwacker wrote:

ziggy wrote:

I read a different article where they said the guy was on top of him and had stabbed him repeatedly within seconds,now if you think you could have pulled a gun and saved this kids life then I have a story for you.

I had a boss once who would bet you he could drink a glass of beer faster then you could pour yours on the floor and he never lost.
Because when he said go you would hesitate for a second wondering where to throw it.He would have the empty glass on the table by then.

And you don't think people have the guts to empty a 9mm on a POS like this in seconds?

You’d be surprised

They wouldnt have fast enough reflex's.You would probably have got her in your first gunfight if you were born 100 years ago.


If you were sitting next to me and i was going to stab you while sleeping I would say I had 4 or 5 seconds before someone could react.You would be on your way to fight the terrorists for those virgins.

[ridenrain]

Mr_Canada wrote:

Riden and Burns, you are both extremists.

Charge him for murder.

Case closed.

Wow. You sort of missed a few after I finished posting, like Mr. Cut, paste and swear?

Unless Bernard Goetz was on the train, I doubt anyone would have stopped this before it happened. That said, I fully support some shocked passengers killing this man.

Just a reminder that we recently had a thread on Olson who still sends letters to taunt his victims. He's put in a cage for his parole hearings because he's so dangerous but he still gets his review and victims still attend at their own cost because they have so little faith in the justice system. Theory is, he will never get out and his rights to mail and a vote are protected.
Why bother to save these people.

[hurley_108]

uwish wrote:

that is complete and utter left wing fear mongering. 10 years of CCW in the US and their hasn't been ONE documented case of anything like that.

That argument just doesn't hold any water in logic or statistics.

You're completely off your rocker. Do a google search for "killed with his own gun", and you get pages and pages of results. Many are police officers, but some are civilians, and it's not restricted to the US. Fact is a gun that isn't present can't kill anyone. Pretending that an armed person cannot be disarmed and have their own weapon used against them is lunacy.

One interesting thing to note is that many of the results are for criminals who were shot with their own guns.

[Canadaka]

Video interview, if not already posted:
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/horrifi ... #clip70840

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX wrote:

TattoodGirl wrote:

hwacker wrote:

Good motivation for hand guns. This POS would be dead if somebody on this bus had a gun.

And don't tell me this in one incident, tell that to the poor boys mother I’m sure she'll agree with you even though her boy is dead.

We can all see what a knife can do.

It’s all about the PERSON not the device used.

EXACTLY!!!!! Oh god i just agreed with you.

He is wrong though. It happened so fast and so unexpected that the boy was likely dead before anybody could have reacted and its just as likely that in the ensuing panic that person with a gun might have shot an innocent bystander or worse yet lost that gun with the killer getting it.

What a cowardly response. Please. You're not supposed to do anything because of a bunch of what-ifs? Do you ever even leave your house with this mindset?

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Now sure someone could have shot the attacker dead and he certainly deserves death but here is something to think about.

With the attacker dead it is very likely the answers would have died with him and in senseless and tragic cases like this its often very important for the families to get answers for closure.

In addition we might lose the chance to idenify why it happened with the idea of preventing it from happening again.

What is it with liberals and their precious root causes? I COULD CARE LESS why this guy committed this murder. He's vermin and he needs to be put down and that won't happen in a country where being a g*ddamn serial killer isn't enough to keep you jail.

[lily]

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What is it with liberals and their precious root causes? I COULD CARE LESS why this guy committed this murder.

So we can prevent it from happening again?

You can be reactive if thqat's your preference, but some of us believe in being proactive.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson wrote:

What a cowardly response. Please. You're not supposed to do anything because of a bunch of what-ifs? Do you ever even leave your house with this mindset?

What is it with liberals and their precious root causes? I COULD CARE LESS why this guy committed this murder. He's vermin and he needs to be put down and that won't happen in a country where being a g*ddamn serial killer isn't enough to keep you jail.

Grow up.

Edit: I'm not going to waste my time going down this road despite the fact it makes perfect sense.

Now go back and read everything before you spout off uninformed BS to see that I agree with the death penalty and the right to defend oneself I simply hold that its not always black and white.

[BartSimpson]

hurley_108 wrote:

Fact is a gun that isn't present can't kill anyone. Pretending that an armed person cannot be disarmed and have their own weapon used against them is lunacy.

What an ass. You realize you're making the argument that the victim was SAFER because no one on the bus had a gun. Moron.

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson wrote:

That's not Bernardo and Homolka. That's Collins and Prepon. This is Bernardo and Homolka:



+1 for a cute way to make a point but -10 for cocking it up.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson wrote:

hurley_108 wrote:

Fact is a gun that isn't present can't kill anyone. Pretending that an armed person cannot be disarmed and have their own weapon used against them is lunacy.

What an ass. You realize you're making the argument that the victim was SAFER because no one on the bus had a gun. Moron.

Somebody piss in your breakfast today?

You do realize that people are safer when nobody has a gun and even safer still when nobody has a weapon.

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson wrote:

hurley_108 wrote:

Fact is a gun that isn't present can't kill anyone. Pretending that an armed person cannot be disarmed and have their own weapon used against them is lunacy.

What an ass. You realize you're making the argument that the victim was SAFER because no one on the bus had a gun. Moron.

No, I'm simply countering a false perception that only bad guys will ever get hurt if there are more guns around. Nothing more, nothing less.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

What a cowardly response. Please. You're not supposed to do anything because of a bunch of what-ifs? Do you ever even leave your house with this mindset?

What is it with liberals and their precious root causes? I COULD CARE LESS why this guy committed this murder. He's vermin and he needs to be put down and that won't happen in a country where being a g*ddamn serial killer isn't enough to keep you jail.

Grow up.

Why don't you apply your right to bear arms to the rest of the world and recognize their right to live without US interference and get the fuck out of countries you don't belong in. I suppose you don't consider it murder by vermin when innocent women and children die from US cluster bombs do you?

Now go back and read everything before you spout off uninformed BS to see that I agree with the death penalty and the right to defend oneself I simply hold that its not always black and white.

No, you assumed that anyone with a gun, a knife, a club, or a spine intervening in this situation would have had their weapon taken from them by the criminal. You assumed the worst.

All those people on that bus sat on their ass and watched while that kid was brutally murdered. And that's EXACTLY what you recommend they do because, omigosh, something bad might happen if they get involved.

Call it what you want, I call it cowardice.

So far as your telling me to eff off you have NOTHING to back that up with. Nothing. What are you going to do if I and 100,000 Marines march on into Canada to take over? Write a nasty letter to the Globe and Mail? Because if you don't have the nerve to simply recommend that people not just watch when a vicious crime occurs you won't have the stones to put yourself at risk for anything more than that.

[BartSimpson]

hurley_108 wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

hurley_108 wrote:

Fact is a gun that isn't present can't kill anyone. Pretending that an armed person cannot be disarmed and have their own weapon used against them is lunacy.

What an ass. You realize you're making the argument that the victim was SAFER because no one on the bus had a gun. Moron.

No, I'm simply countering a false perception that only bad guys will ever get hurt if there are more guns around. Nothing more, nothing less.

There were no guns on that bus. Who was safer because of that?

[Streaker]

LMAO!!

I see that Bart is in full-blown psycho mode again.