[Donny_Brasco]

Saxon wrote:

The founders of this coup-d'etat should be led to the nearest gallows, and hung for the entire Canadian population to see. There is nothing that pisses me off more than a traitor. Do any of you HONESTLY believe that the Liberals and NDP give a flying fuck about Canada?

Ahhh, the true colours of the Conservtive party, hang all those who disagree, cry like a baby when things don;t go your way, bring up the American idology "if you don;t agree with us then you are the enemy" mentality.

To bad, you had your chance. This is a real democracy in action and I applaud my MP for his work!

[Canadian_Mind]

Saxon wrote:

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Jumping into this conversation way late.

As it is, it isn't undemocratic, but those who voted Liberal, NDP, or Bloc weren't expecting them to get into bed with the other two opposition parties to form a coalition (and thusly adopt some of the others pollicies).

As far as NDP-Liberal goes, not so bad. But throw the Blow in there and it becomes to socialist for my taste, and frankly looks like a path that would lead to Quebec getting alot of the benefits, and the rest of the country not as much. Then add that the Bloc are not actively pro-separatist, but we all know they want it, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Then add that Dion would lead the coalition. If he was the one that orchestrated it, sure, but the whole thing was crafted by Chretien (at alot of liberal MPs begging requests) and the NDP's head mentor... both currently unelected fellows. So that part of it is undemocratic.

So, put it to a referendum, with all this know, as to whether or not the people would accept such a coalition.

If yes, then let it happen. If no, then it sucks to be the opposition, and what should happen instead is that a bi-partisan group is organized to figure out what is best for the economy, and the political parties suck it up and lose the 1.95 per vote... would hurt the Bloc the most, which I would love to see.

The founders of this coup-d'etat should be led to the nearest gallows, and hung for the entire Canadian population to see. There is nothing that pisses me off more than a traitor. Do any of you HONESTLY believe that the Liberals and NDP give a flying fuck about Canada?

that i can agree with. Chretien retired, he should now stay out of politics, unless he chooses to formally re-enter the fray.

[ryan29]

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Jumping into this conversation way late.

As it is, it isn't undemocratic, but those who voted Liberal, NDP, or Bloc weren't expecting them to get into bed with the other two opposition parties to form a coalition (and thusly adopt some of the others pollicies).

As far as NDP-Liberal goes, not so bad. But throw the Blow in there and it becomes to socialist for my taste, and frankly looks like a path that would lead to Quebec getting alot of the benefits, and the rest of the country not as much. Then add that the Bloc are not actively pro-separatist, but we all know they want it, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Then add that Dion would lead the coalition. If he was the one that orchestrated it, sure, but the whole thing was crafted by Chretien (at alot of liberal MPs begging requests) and the NDP's head mentor... both currently unelected fellows. So that part of it is undemocratic.

So, put it to a referendum, with all this know, as to whether or not the people would accept such a coalition.

If yes, then let it happen. If no, then it sucks to be the opposition, and what should happen instead is that a bi-partisan group is organized to figure out what is best for the economy, and the political parties suck it up and lose the 1.95 per vote... would hurt the Bloc the most, which I would love to see.

i think the referendum idea might be a good one and canadians deserve to have a say on this critical issue . as canadians have not had much of a say so far ?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Streaker wrote:

In no way, shape or form would this be any more undemocratic than having a government elected with less than 50% of the popular vote, as is the case with these CON barbarians.

As is the case with all most EVERY majority government in recent Canadian history. Are you saying Chetiens 12 year reign in which he never once obtained more than 50% of the vote was undemocratic.

[Apollo]

Quote:

Ahhh, the true colours of the Conservtive party, hang all those who disagree, cry like a baby when things don;t go your way, bring up the American idology "if you don;t agree with us then you are the enemy" mentality.

To bad, you had your chance. This is a real democracy in action and I applaud my MP for his work!

The true colours of the Liberals are the ones that are showing. They need to be in power to be able to steal tax payer money. Without it, they are bankrupt.

We have a party that is virtually bankruptt rying to run our economy. What idiocy!

[EyeBrock]

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Jumping into this conversation way late.

As it is, it isn't undemocratic, but those who voted Liberal, NDP, or Bloc weren't expecting them to get into bed with the other two opposition parties to form a coalition (and thusly adopt some of the others pollicies).

As far as NDP-Liberal goes, not so bad. But throw the Blow in there and it becomes to socialist for my taste, and frankly looks like a path that would lead to Quebec getting alot of the benefits, and the rest of the country not as much. Then add that the Bloc are not actively pro-separatist, but we all know they want it, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Then add that Dion would lead the coalition. If he was the one that orchestrated it, sure, but the whole thing was crafted by Chretien (at alot of liberal MPs begging requests) and the NDP's head mentor... both currently unelected fellows. So that part of it is undemocratic.

So, put it to a referendum, with all this know, as to whether or not the people would accept such a coalition.

If yes, then let it happen. If no, then it sucks to be the opposition, and what should happen instead is that a bi-partisan group is organized to figure out what is best for the economy, and the political parties suck it up and lose the 1.95 per vote... would hurt the Bloc the most, which I would love to see.

I'm sure you are not the only Liberal who is not feeling good about this.

If the Tory government falls there will be an election soon enough. The only problem there is that instead of letting a coalition of power hungry losers in instead of an arrogant Tory regime, is that all sides have now not got an eye on the ball, as in the economy will not be the #1 concern of Parliament.

Not good and people will remember who's back room dealings brought in a coalition with the NDP and a party that wants to destroy our federation of Canada.

[terrance_s]

question. who has had more power control shifts in the last 5 years.

Haiti or Canada.

[Apollo]

Canada

[llama66]

while underhanded, the Coalition is not undemocratic. The MPs that will make up the ruling party were still voted in by Canadians.

[llama66]

EyeBrock wrote:

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Jumping into this conversation way late.

As it is, it isn't undemocratic, but those who voted Liberal, NDP, or Bloc weren't expecting them to get into bed with the other two opposition parties to form a coalition (and thusly adopt some of the others pollicies).

As far as NDP-Liberal goes, not so bad. But throw the Blow in there and it becomes to socialist for my taste, and frankly looks like a path that would lead to Quebec getting alot of the benefits, and the rest of the country not as much. Then add that the Bloc are not actively pro-separatist, but we all know they want it, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Then add that Dion would lead the coalition. If he was the one that orchestrated it, sure, but the whole thing was crafted by Chretien (at alot of liberal MPs begging requests) and the NDP's head mentor... both currently unelected fellows. So that part of it is undemocratic.

So, put it to a referendum, with all this know, as to whether or not the people would accept such a coalition.

If yes, then let it happen. If no, then it sucks to be the opposition, and what should happen instead is that a bi-partisan group is organized to figure out what is best for the economy, and the political parties suck it up and lose the 1.95 per vote... would hurt the Bloc the most, which I would love to see.

I'm sure you are not the only Liberal who is not feeling good about this.

If the Tory government falls there will be an election soon enough. The only problem there is that instead of letting a coalition of power hungry losers in instead of an arrogant Tory regime, is that all sides have now not got an eye on the ball, as in the economy will not be the #1 concern of Parliament.

Not good and people will remember who's back room dealings brought in a coalition with the NDP and a party that wants to destroy our federation of Canada.

A referendum would be a good idea, I as a so-called left winger am against this Coalition, and I'm sure the majority of Canadians are too, why not allow us to voice an opinion on where our country is heading?

[Light_Plutonium]

Well if Harper wants to save his government
- Recognize Québécois as a nation in the constitution
- Give strong financial support for wood and manufacturing industries
- Built high speed train between Quebec and Toronto
- Built a new bridge in Montreal and light train for the suburb
- Accept Kyoto
- Apply law 101 to Federal jobs in Quebec

Then the bloc will keep him in power.

Canadian politic

[martin14]

Canadian_Mind wrote:

Jumping into this conversation way late.

As it is, it isn't undemocratic, but those who voted Liberal, NDP, or Bloc weren't expecting them to get into bed with the other two opposition parties to form a coalition (and thusly adopt some of the others pollicies).

As far as NDP-Liberal goes, not so bad. But throw the Blow in there and it becomes to socialist for my taste, and frankly looks like a path that would lead to Quebec getting alot of the benefits, and the rest of the country not as much. Then add that the Bloc are not actively pro-separatist, but we all know they want it, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Then add that Dion would lead the coalition. If he was the one that orchestrated it, sure, but the whole thing was crafted by Chretien (at alot of liberal MPs begging requests) and the NDP's head mentor... both currently unelected fellows. So that part of it is undemocratic.

So, put it to a referendum, with all this know, as to whether or not the people would accept such a coalition.

If yes, then let it happen. If no, then it sucks to be the opposition, and what should happen instead is that a bi-partisan group is organized to figure out what is best for the economy, and the political parties suck it up and lose the 1.95 per vote... would hurt the Bloc the most, which I would love to see.

very good post

I think most Canadians would agree with you, this is a rather shameless
grab for power, and is very bad for the country as a whole, especially
with the Bloc on the inside of Federal power. You can be sure
Gilles has his list of federal powers to devolve, and weaken the country
even further.

I wouldn't count on a referendum, as I imagine most people
really dont like this idea, on both sides of the spectrum.

I also wouldn't count on an early election, the current GG was installed
by Martin, and has authority to ask someone else to form a gov't
before calling a general election.. and Dion has his piece of paper,
so getting around the GG would be pretty easy.

Pretty sad day all in all, we look like a real banana republic,
with politicans only interested in how they can line their own pockets
with power and money.

Would be nice if some of them could actually give a shit about the country for a change....

[ShepherdsDog]

If Dion tries to push his Green Plan through, that will be undemocratic. Had Canadians wanted this, the Liberals would have been given a mandate to govern. It was crap like that caused them to lose 20 seats. Iggy got it right when he described this situation as a 'poison chalice'. Anytime there is a vote in the house, the coalition will have to make sure they have almost all of their members present, because sure as shit, pay back can and will be a bitch if this abortion of a coalition comes to fruition.

[Jabrwock]

ShepherdsDog wrote:

If Dion tries to push his Green Plan through, that will be undemocratic.

According to CBC last night on the National, that was the "sacrifice" the Libs made to appease the coalition, dropping the Green Shift and looking at Cap&Trade instead (more to appease the Obama camp). The NDP dropped the idea of raising corporate taxes, and the Bloc (for a little over a year anyway) will refrain from "Quebec-only" legislation, but instead try to stick to stuff that benefits the country AND Quebec.

[Donny_Brasco]

Jabrwock wrote:

ShepherdsDog wrote:

If Dion tries to push his Green Plan through, that will be undemocratic.

According to CBC last night on the National, that was the "sacrifice" the Libs made to appease the coalition, dropping the Green Shift and looking at Cap&Trade instead (more to appease the Obama camp). The NDP dropped the idea of raising corporate taxes, and the Bloc (for a little over a year anyway) will refrain from "Quebec-only" legislation, but instead try to stick to stuff that benefits the country AND Quebec.

Just like the Cons need a few votes to pass any legislation, any of the three parties need the support of the other two to get anything passed.

It amazes me how little some of you grasp the concept of a coalition government, how you think all three parties will run rampant with their agendas and invoke all kinds of hardship upon Canadians, or do nothing like the Torys...its not going to happen. For the NDP and the Bloc this may be the first and only chance any of them get to push parts of their agenda.

I'm pretty sure they are smarter then steve and will take this opportunity to do some good things for their constituents.