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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:07 pm
 


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What do bet that if the British fleet were in it's own waters this would never have happened. :P


What "British Fleet"?

They're down to 44 ships and announced this week that 13 of those are going to mothballs or the breakers and they simultaneously cancelled the destroyers that were on order from Portsmouth.

31 ships is a robust task force. IF they're all sailing together.

Add to that the fact that these ships are spread out all over the place and that's not a lot to talk about.

Argentina will likely be revisiting the Falklands fairly soon at this rate.

Canada is coming close to surpassing UK naval power without having to spend a penny to do so.

And if the British Fleet of yore was camped off the coast of Iran they'd have NEVER tried this.

Admiral Jellicoe would've had the steward of the Iron Duke serve up Ahmadinejad's personal parts in a nice pudding served with a proper claret. :wink:



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This is what happens when you send a boarding party without cutlasses.
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Seized sailors 'taken to Tehran'

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The 15 Royal Navy personnel seized at gunpoint in the Gulf by Iranian forces have been transferred to Tehran, Iranian news agency Fars has reported.

The UK says the eight sailors and seven marines had been carrying out routine duties in Iraqi waters and has called for their immediate release.

But Tehran said it had made a "firm protest" about an "illegal entry" into Iranian waters by the navy personnel.

The 15 would be asked to explain their actions, the news agency said.

Diplomats have held talks in Tehran and London since Friday's incident.

The personnel, who are thought to be unharmed, were seized after boarding a boat in the Gulf.

HMS CORNWALL FACTS
Multi-national force flagship in the northern Gulf
Type 22 frigate
Crew: 250 (Max 301)
Length: 148.1m / 485.9ft
Speed: 30 knots

Source: Royal Navy



They were from HMS Cornwall, based in Plymouth - the flagship of the coalition-Iraqi force which patrols Iraqi territorial waters in the northern Gulf to combat smuggling.

Its commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, said they had been inspecting an Iraqi boat before clearing its skipper to continue with his business.

When they returned to their two small boats, they were "promptly arrested".

The helicopter then saw the British boats being moved along the Shatt al-Arab waterway to Iranian bases, Cmdr Lambert said.

There had been no evidence of fighting, he added.

Ibrahim Rahimpour, Iran's director general for Western European affairs, said he had met the UK's charge d'affaires, Kate Smith, in Tehran.

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The personnel would have been in boats similar to those pictured



He said in a statement that he had delivered a "firm protest from Iran against the illegal entry of British sailors into Iranian territorial waters".

The Ministry of Defence has been in contact with relatives of the group.

UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett - who had a "brisk and polite" meeting with Iran's ambassador to London on Friday - demanded the immediate and safe return of the captured personnel.

It is a long holiday period in Iran so there has been little public comment so far.

The US military said it had been monitoring Iran's Revolutionary Guards - an elite fighting force appointed by the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - "for years now" in Iraqi territorial waters.


Tehran question

BBC world affairs correspondent, Ian Pannell, who was earlier on board HMS Cornwall, said the mood on the ship was "quiet and determined" and that "the aspiration here is that this will be over sooner rather than later".

Speaking on Saturday, he said crew members now wanted to know who was behind the incident.

"They no longer feel this is being controlled by local Iranian naval officials, it is probably being run out of Tehran," he said.

And the BBC's Bridget Kendall said the big question was whether the capture was part of a bigger political game, ahead of a UN Security Council vote in New York over further sanctions against Iran's nuclear programme.

But Sadegh Ziba Kalam, professor of politics at Tehran University, dismissed the idea that the seizure was a political move ahead of the vote.

"Everyone knows that would not change anything," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

The seizure also follows claims that much of the violence against UK forces in Basra is being engineered by Iranian elements, which Tehran denies.

In 2004, Iran detained eight British servicemen for three days after they allegedly strayed over the maritime border.

The men were paraded blindfolded and made to apologise on Iranian TV before their release was agreed.

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THE SUN SAYS

ALL Britain is praying for the 15 Royal Navy men seized by Iran.

Their capture reminds us of the risks Britain’s brave military take on our behalf.

They showed remarkable discipline in refusing to open fire despite the provocation from armed thugs.

But Tony Blair must leave the Iranians in no doubt.

And it is Mr Blair who must take personal charge: We don’t suppose the Iranian ambassador was exactly quaking in his boots at being told off by Margaret Beckett.

Taking Our Boys prisoner is an outrage that cannot be tolerated.

Tehran should remember this:

The British military is not only highly disciplined.

It is superbly trained to act when necessary with lethal force.

Britain will be not be humiliated by a crackpot’s regime.


thesun.co.uk



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Canada is coming close to surpassing UK naval power without having to spend a penny to do so.



Are you out of your mind? Canada has virtually no navy apart from a few fishery protection vessels. Where are Canada's aircraft carriers, for a start?

The Royal Navy is the second-most powerful naval force on the planet and the second-biggest in terms of gross tonnage and, along with the US and maybe France, the only true Blue Water navy in the world.


The Royal Canadian Navy has 33 warships:

12 Halifax-class multi-role patrol frigates

4 Victoria-class long-range patrol submarines

3 Iroquois-class area air defence destroyers

2 Protecteur-class auxiliary oil replenishment

12 Kingston-class coastal defence vessels


The Royal Navy has 92 commisioned warships of which 3 are aircraft carriers, 3 are large amphibious vessels, 25 are major fleet escorts (17 frigates and 8 destroyers) and 13 are nuclear-powered submarines (9 SSNs and 4 SSBNs). These figures do not include ships of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary or those in reserve. There is a 4th aircraft carrier if you also include HMS Ocean, a helicopter carrier that is larger than the 3 normal aircraft carriers.


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The Royal Navy has -


3 Invincible-class Aircraft carriers

8 Type 42 destroyers

13 Type 23 frigates

4 Type 22 frigates

1 Landing Platform Helicopter

2 Albion-class landing platform docks

8 Sandown class mine countermeasures vessels

8 Hunt class mine countermeasures vessels

1 Antarctic patrol ship

4 River class patrol vessels

1 Castle class patrol vessel

14 Archer or P2000 class fast patrol boats

2 Scimitar-class fast patrol boats (Gibraltar Squadron)

2 Archer or P2000-class fast patrol boats (Cyprus Squadron) (2)

2 Coastal survey vessels

4 Vanguard-class submarines (SSBNs)

2 Swiftsure-class submarines (SSNs)

7 Trafalgar-class submarines (SSNs)

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Helicopter carrier HMS Ocean is the largest ship in the Royal Navy until the new giant aircraft carriers come into service around 2012



But those 92 warships DO NOT include the Royal Fleet Auxiliary whose main function is to supply the Royal Navy with fuel and supplies. It also counts a repair ship, and amphibious assault vessels amongst its assets.


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There are 26 ships in the Royal Fleet Auxiliary -

Wave-class fast fleet tankers

Wave Knight
Wave Ruler
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Rover-class small fleet tankers

Gold Rover
Black Rover
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Leaf-class support tankers

Brambleleaf
Bayleaf
Orangeleaf
Oakleaf
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Fort Rosalie or Fort (i) class replenishment ships

Fort Rosalie (ex-Fort Grange)
Fort Austin
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Fort Victoria or Fort (ii) class replenishment oilers

Fort Victoria
Fort George
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Aviation training / Primary Casualty Receiving Ship

Argus
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Forward repair ship

Diligence
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Bay-class Landing Ships Dock (Auxiliary)

Largs Bay
Lyme Bay
Mounts Bay
Cardigan Bay
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Round Table-class Landing Ships Logistics

Sir Bedivere
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Point class sealift ships


MV Hurst Point
MV Eddystone
MV Longstone
MV Beachy Head
MV Hartland Point
MV Anvil Point

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RFA Cardigan Bay

So, in total, Britain has 118 ships compared to Canada's 33 - and the largest and most powerful aircraft carriers and the largest and most powerful submarines and the largest and most powerful destroyers that the Royal Navy has ever used are all on their way soon, all of them being built in Britain.

The Royal Navy is nowhere near the size that it used to be - in 1945 it has around 600 ships - but neither is America's and neither is Canada's (Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world in WW2).



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Ah! The Great Pissing War has started. You guys remind me of the horny flea floating down river with a hardon screaming, "Raise the drawbridge!" :P


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:41 pm
 


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Are these dumbshits actually trying to provoke a military reponse from the West? This action seems to say so. Perhaps the next time Iranian military vessels enter Iraqi waters they should be made into artificial reefs and their crews should become fish food, or should Western forces wait for them to bother crossing the boundary?

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/03/2 ... -iran.html

I bet my life that this is all BULLSHIT!!!
Why would Iran provoke Britain and the U.S into a war they can't possibly win??? Makes no sense? This is just another sceeme to gain suport for the coming invasion.


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?? and the Iranians are playing along why? You CT folks are funny.

You can bet those Brit. sailors are "guests" at Iran's new nuke plant.


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So the British wanted the Iranians to kidnap their sailors and take them to Tehran?? Next you'll be telling us that the Iranians and North Koreans really are just researching the peaceful uses of nuclear energy.



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CBC news at noon said that the British sailors were actually in Iranian (not Iraq) territorial waters and have been captured.


OHHH WOW an unbiased apolitical reliable source to be sure.
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WTF?! 8O

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The reality of 2007 is that:

Royal Navy Type 22 frigate HMS Cornwall

has the firepower to have sunk the Bismark with single handed with impunity.

One US Aegis Class Cruiser could have destroyed destroyed Yamamota's Pearl Harbour attack fleet before it could launch its aircraft. Anchored in pearl Harbour and alert it would have single-handedly destroyed both waves. This is the reality of modern warships with a mix of long range SAM's, Medium and short range SAM's and CIWS. Their SSM's are not to be ignored either.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:15 pm
 


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I bet my life that this is all BULLSHIT!!!


I guess the Iranians have got the script because they want to try these British sailors for espionage.


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FIFTEEN British sailors and marines arrested by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards off the coast of Iraq may be charged with spying.

A website run by associates of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, reported last night that the Britons would be put before a court and indicted.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 563877.ece

A simple admission of you're mistake would be enough. Maybe something about how you're blind hatred of the US and western powers mabe you believe this was a lie?


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OPP wrote:
ShepherdsDog wrote:
Are these dumbshits actually trying to provoke a military reponse from the West? This action seems to say so. Perhaps the next time Iranian military vessels enter Iraqi waters they should be made into artificial reefs and their crews should become fish food, or should Western forces wait for them to bother crossing the boundary?

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/03/2 ... -iran.html

I bet my life that this is all BULLSHIT!!!
Why would Iran provoke Britain and the U.S into a war they can't possibly win??? Makes no sense? This is just another sceeme to gain suport for the coming invasion.


Because Iran is run by very irrational people who sometimes do very stupid things like trying to gain water territory when their country has their enemy on 2 of their borders.


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Isn't it awful that these dirty Iranians would dare take hostage our imperious Marines, even if they invaded Iranian territory? I mean, kidnapping representatives of foreign nations for political purposes is something the UK or US would never resort to, is it?

FLASHBACK: Iran condemns US 'kidnap' in Iraq

Never mind that! When we do it, it's with good reason, when they do it, it's because they're evil!

It's the Brits who should be kissing Irans ass right now for this... trespassing into their own territory with their rubber dingys... serves them right.

I feel badly for the soldiers, since they were only acting on orders, no doubt.

Unfortunately, this act of provocation on part of the west will only play into the hands of the west... allowing Bush to build a stronger case for war.


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What do bet that if the British fleet were in it's own waters this would never have happened. :P


What "British Fleet"?

They're down to 44 ships and announced this week that 13 of those are going to mothballs or the breakers and they simultaneously cancelled the destroyers that were on order from Portsmouth.

31 ships is a robust task force. IF they're all sailing together.

Add to that the fact that these ships are spread out all over the place and that's not a lot to talk about.

Argentina will likely be revisiting the Falklands fairly soon at this rate.

Canada is coming close to surpassing UK naval power without having to spend a penny to do so.

And if the British Fleet of yore was camped off the coast of Iran they'd have NEVER tried this.

Admiral Jellicoe would've had the steward of the Iron Duke serve up Ahmadinejad's personal parts in a nice pudding served with a proper claret. :wink:


I think you need to check your facts there Bart.

Check out the RN website http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk



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