[Knoss]

But only certain lands agreements contain mineral rights, are first nations owned by the band or the province and when did bands receive ownership.

[Rev_Blair]

That's part of the self-government thing and it's par of the land claims as well. It needs to be negotiated and figured out. Nothing should happen with disputed lands until those negotiations are done.

My opinion is that the rights should belong to the bands, but the bands should be subject to labour, trade and environmental standards of both the federal and provincial governments, as well as their own...whichever regulations are most stringent.

That protects the First Nations and the people in the area that will also be affected. It also gives them a source of income.

I find it hilarious that we bitch about having to give them money and continually undermine their attempts to generate their own money. It's like telling your teenage kid they can't have a part-time job while cutting their allowance.

That's a shitty thing to do to a kid and First Nations are most certainly not errant teens. They, rightly, object to the paternalism as well as the stupidity.

As a guy I was talking to the other day said, "Let us make our own you mistakes. You've been making mistakes for us for too long." I can't argue with that, especially since he was paying for the round.

[Knoss]

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My opinion is that the rights should belong to the bands, but the bands should be subject to labour, trade and environmental standards of both the federal and provincial governments, as well as their own...whichever regulations are most stringent.

Though if we exempt first nations from some labour standards it could create cometition for resorce extraction benefiting the ecconomy as a whole. Pehaps all land owners should be given mineral rights on lands which have never before had those rights.

[etnewfies]

Mr_Canada wrote:

RUEZ wrote:

Mr_Canada wrote:

RUEZ wrote:

DangerMouse wrote:

Publicly owned reservations! Wow thats a sign that people are slowly learning the issues! Twenty years ago the rednex use to whine about free land and free housing....but now some people are seeing the light--plz spread your new found knowledge

What's a rednex?

An Albertan Photocopier.

It was a joke... A lame one, but I thought it was funny,

Ignore me.

i like your signature picture.

[DangerMouse]

[font=Comic Sans MS]FN's are under the umbrella of the Federal Government but the lands are under provincial jurisdiction...when you think about this fact alone, it has wasted billions of dollars alone! The provincial governments in essence have been a nuisance that cost big time. If you think about that cartoon Bug Bunny from long ago where the big dog smacked the lil dog aside that's what needs to be done with the nuisance level of government....of course that'll never happen because it always has been a mess and will always be a mess...the indians are caught up in the mess and only the bright rednecks see this! All the others are busy giving indians shit over someone elses mess! [/font]

[Biblical_Christian]

Actually because FN's are pretty much concentrated in Sask. And chinese in the west, and blacks in the east. FN's probably bring in the most of the 80 billion into Sask. We buy everything , material all off-reserve. There is no building materials, etc. on any reserve. Every thing is practically bought in towns or cities.

[sasquatch2]

Rev Blare

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I find it hilarious that we bitch about having to give them money and continually undermine their attempts to generate their own money. It's like telling your teenage kid they can't have a part-time job while cutting their allowance.

Yeah but what if your kid augmented his allowance with extortion, armed robbery or drug dealing.........

Well near to here, at Woodstock, On., an Italian fella from the GTA, came along and bought an abandoned Walmart shopping mall.

Then Toyota decided to build a plant and tried to buy his property. He held out for 10X his purchase price...............Expropriated for 150% of his purchase price and the bull-dozers went in.

So much for property rights..........

[Knoss]

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Well near to here, at Woodstock, On., an Italian fella from the GTA, came along and bought an abandoned Walmart shopping mall.

Then Toyota decided to build a plant and tried to buy his property. He held out for 10X his purchase price...............Expropriated for 150% of his purchase price and the bull-dozers went in.

Thats just good business, move.

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Yeah but what if your kid augmented his allowance with extortion, armed robbery or drug dealing.........

Now your getting into stereotypes.

[Omega]

Rev_Blair wrote:

That's part of the self-government thing and it's par of the land claims as well. It needs to be negotiated and figured out. Nothing should happen with disputed lands until those negotiations are done.

My opinion is that the rights should belong to the bands, but the bands should be subject to labour, trade and environmental standards of both the federal and provincial governments, as well as their own...whichever regulations are most stringent.

That protects the First Nations and the people in the area that will also be affected. It also gives them a source of income.

I find it hilarious that we bitch about having to give them money and continually undermine their attempts to generate their own money. It's like telling your teenage kid they can't have a part-time job while cutting their allowance.

That's a shitty thing to do to a kid and First Nations are most certainly not errant teens. They, rightly, object to the paternalism as well as the stupidity.

As a guy I was talking to the other day said, "Let us make our own you mistakes. You've been making mistakes for us for too long." I can't argue with that, especially since he was paying for the round.

I agree 100%

[Biblical_Christian]

Yes, and the europeans are polluting the WHOLE, WHOLE planet, never mind just SASKATCEWAN

[romanP]

Rev_Blair wrote:

As a guy I was talking to the other day said, "Let us make our own you mistakes. You've been making mistakes for us for too long." I can't argue with that, especially since he was paying for the round.

Gandhi said the same of British imperialism.

[RUEZ]

Biblical_Christian wrote:

Yes, and the europeans are polluting the WHOLE, WHOLE planet, never mind just SASKATCEWAN

There are more Asians than Europeans.

[ShepherdsDog]

Yes those damned Europeans and their horrible air pollution, creating a toxic brown smudge that can be seen from space.

[Donny_Brasco]

I'd say that wanting jobs and a share of the profits from the resources of their traditional land will help Saskatchewan's economy. ave ny of you every been to La Loche or Clearwater River Dene Nation. Its a fucking shithole. 95% unemployment. Now if they want jobs and money to build schools and infastructure that the taxpayers or footing the bill for now, then maybe we should be supporting that.

If you like paying their welfare then keep the status quo. If you'd rather see them get jobs and support their families with real earned income then write the CEO of this company and the Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall and tell him we are sick of paying to keep these people in poverty. Have meaningful consultations with the band and get those people working - share the wealth.

Oilsands Quest Inc is incorporated in the USA and has an office in Calgary. Its a publically traded company. Therefore, its profits go outside of Saskatchewan and outside of Canada, unless you happen to be a shareholder. So for the average Joe like me or you, we get fuck all from this - why shouldn;t we get this foreign company to hire some natives, pay some royalties to the band for harvesting the resources of their land, and us break on the tax dllars we spend keeping that community on welfare.

[Biblical_Christian]

Cities, towns off reserve are called welfare money, not on the reserves, come on Donny you know that. Singles will get about 150 a month, thats nearly 1500 a year. Probably double that for families.