[Toro]

What's in Manitoba?

[grainfedprairieboy]

Laurier tripped up the creation of the Province of Buffalo favouring the division of the prairies into three separate provinces fearing a combined west would one day overtake Ontario or Quebec in clout.

These fears were not exactly unfounded. At the turn of the last century Saskatchewan had more people in it then it does a hundred years later and at the time was regarded as the wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet.

Saskatchewan now realises what a mistake socialism was and is looking for an exit strategy and I am confident they will one day return to their rightful position as a wealthy and progressive populace.

[Tman1]

Wrong. You've said this before but yet to come up with anything substantial. Where at all in the statistics of Canada did Sask have more people or have any sort of *clout* in Canada. The statement *wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet* is just ridiculous.

[Toro]

Hard to say.

Saskatchewan has a secular problem in that the ratio of tax payers who shoulder the burden of budgetary expenditures is shrinking as the population is getting older and the birth rate of native Canadians is above of the average. But at least for the time being, before the demographic time bomb goes off, Saskatchewan has lots of natural resources to live off.

So I'm not sure why Saskatchewan would want join with Manitoba. What does Manitoba have? Oh wait, it has lots of water which is just sitting there, not really doing anything. They can sell their water to the Americans, who'll use it to water their golf courses in desert communities such as Scottsdale or Palm Springs.

When I'm in Winnipeg this summer, I'll go so see someone about that. My firm has a lot of money looking for good ideas!

[grainfedprairieboy]

Tman1 Tman1:

Wrong. You've said this before but yet to come up with anything substantial. Where at all in the statistics of Canada did Sask have more people or have any sort of *clout* in Canada.

"Saskatchewan was Canada’s fastest-growing province during the first three decades of the 20th century: between 1900 and 1930, it boasted 303,000 homestead entries. The territory that became the province of Saskatchewan in 1905 saw its population increase from 91,000 in 1901 to 932,000 in 1936. "
(Does not include all Indians.)

Source

2006 Census: 968,157 (Includes all Indians)

Tman1 Tman1:

any sort of *clout* in Canada.

The Premier of the territories, Sir Frederick Haultain, was one the most persistent and vocal supporters of provincehood for the west. However, his plan for provincial status in the west was not a plan for the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan which was eventually adpoted; rather he favored the creation of one very large province called Buffalo. Other proposals called for three provinces, or two provinces with a border running east-west instead of north-south.

The Prime Minister of the day, Sir Wilfrid Laurier, did not want to concentrate too much power in one province, which might grow to rival Quebec and Ontario, but neither did he think three provinces were viable, and so opted for the two province plan. Alberta become a province along with her sister Saskatchewan on September 5, 1905.

Source

Tman1 Tman1:

The statement *wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet* is just ridiculous.

It was actually coined by a New York newspaper and I will do my best to find the reference in my archives but like the past census or Haultain's efforts I am sure you will simply dismiss it outright too as is your debating MO.

[camerontech]

NWT should merge with Manitoba. that's my opinion.

we have been ignored by southern Ontario, high energy costs (caused by s. Ontario using too much power) have let our lumber industry falter. mills and mines in NW Ontario pays for the S.Ontario cost for power because S. Ontario has a shortage...NW. Ontario does NOT have a power shortage, these industries pay these cost because of Toronto. If the industries pays the same price as Manitoba for power we wouldn't be seeing mills closing every year. Fort Frances is suffering, Terrace Bay is suffering, Kenora is suffering, Thunder Bay is suffering.

Has anyone in Toronto heard of half these towns, does Mcguinty give two shits about them? hell no. People are losing jobs, cities are being abandoned because of a Toronto problem, that's bull......

NW Ontario deals with different problems than S Ontario, we should either form our own province or merge with Manitoba who deals with the same problems we do.

I'm tired, going to bed, but that's my two cents

[Tman1]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

"Saskatchewan was Canada’s fastest-growing province during the first three decades of the 20th century: between 1900 and 1930, it boasted 303,000 homestead entries. The territory that became the province of Saskatchewan in 1905 saw its population increase from 91,000 in 1901 to 932,000 in 1936. "
(Does not include all Indians.)

Source

2006 Census: 968,157 (Includes all Indians)

That's funny, pop statistics from http://www.stats.gov.sk.ca/ comes up with 987,939.

Actually, Sask had a pop of over a million at one point, too bad it isn't so now.

$1:

The Premier of the territories, Sir Frederick Haultain, was one the most persistent and vocal supporters of provincehood for the west. However, his plan for provincial status in the west was not a plan for the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan which was eventually adpoted; rather he favored the creation of one very large province called Buffalo. Other proposals called for three provinces, or two provinces with a border running east-west instead of north-south.

The Prime Minister of the day, Sir Wilfrid Laurier, did not want to concentrate too much power in one province, which might grow to rival Quebec and Ontario, but neither did he think three provinces were viable, and so opted for the two province plan. Alberta become a province along with her sister Saskatchewan on September 5, 1905.

This has nothing to do with any *clout* Saskatchewan as itself had or may have had at any point but rather Frederick Haultains proprosal to plan a single massive western province which was rejected. The rest is merely history of the creation of Saskatchewan and Alberta but I admire your copy and pasting Wiki skills as "information".

Saskatchewan has more *clout* than one might like to believe nowadays.

$1:

It was actually coined by a New York newspaper and I will do my best to find the reference in my archives but like the past census or Haultain's efforts I am sure you will simply dismiss it outright too as is your debating MO.

Well damn, if the New York newspaper says it's so, it must be so eh? Other than that, nothing more than posturing. I could care less what you think I dismiss outright or debating, I calls em as I sees em. So far, I haven't seen much. Still waiting for the "wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet".

[grainfedprairieboy]

Tman1 Tman1:

That's funny, pop statistics from http://www.stats.gov.sk.ca/ comes up with 987,939.

That's because you're looking at a 2007 population projection and not an actual statistic. For a real number you have to go to the census for 2006.

Tman1 Tman1:

This has nothing to do with any *clout* Saskatchewan as itself had or may have had at any point but rather Frederick Haultains proprosal to plan a single massive western province which was rejected. The rest is merely history of the creation of Saskatchewan and Alberta but I admire your copy and pasting Wiki skills as "information".

Actually Wiki copied it from the Alberta History book series but I admire your ability to dismiss anything you don't agree with simply by its source rather then the merit.

Of course, there is always the Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan:

"In 1903, Haultain proposed to Prime Minister Wilfrid Laurier that one large province, stretching from Manitoba to British Columbia, replace the Territories. When the Saskatchewan Act and the Alberta Act were introduced in the House of Commons in 1905, however, they proposed two provinces of approximately equal size and population. Haultain maintained that the region’s integrated economy and shared history pointed to the practicality of one province; but Laurier feared that in light of the rapid population growth on the Prairies one province stretching from Manitoba to British Columbia to the Arctic Ocean would become unmanageably large. Other Liberals were concerned about the power such a large province could potentially wield in Parliament."

Tman1 Tman1:

Well damn, if the New York newspaper says it's so, it must be so eh? Other than that, nothing more than posturing. I could care less what you think I dismiss outright or debating, I calls em as I sees em. So far, I haven't seen much. Still waiting for the "wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet".

I didn't realise you called em as you seeze em. Might I suggest.....

[grainfedprairieboy]

Tman1 Tman1:

Oh pardon me, one friggan year. My bad (whoop, here's the eye rollie for ya. )

Good grief, you're the one bitching about it in the first place.

Tman1 Tman1:

Anyways you say (does not include indians and includes indians) where are those projections?

Because outside of the 1870 Manitoba census and the 1900 quasi scrip census there is virtually no data nor any indication to suggest that a serious count of both natives or Metis who did not belong to a particular parish was ever conducted. I'd be happy for you to enlighten me as I could use the data.

Tman1 Tman1:

Oh, so basically you have nothing to back it up but a supposed "Albertan history book series". I dismiss things by their historical fact not by merit chump. Besides, your *source* doesn't say anything about Saskatchewan as itself as having any *clout* before 1905 but a dimwits proprosal of a massive western province.

So now I'm a chump asshole? And you have the audacity to also dismiss outright the Saskatchewan Encyclopedia series as well? How many bloody references do I have to post? You're a waste of time as you'd probably argue this point with Laurier himself.

Tman1 Tman1:

Suggest away, while you're at it, get back to your theorem of 'Saskacthewan, the most powerful jurisdiction on the planet' fluff.

I said "wealthiest" you flaming asshat. Why are you so desperate to stretch this into something else?

Saskatchewan had a smoking economy that even the 'well to do' of New York were interested in and per capita had the highest income in the world. Today they sit on a mountain of commodities and have the potential to return to their rightful place atop the NA economic hill once certain barriers are removed.

[grainfedprairieboy]

Tman1 Tman1:

I dismiss things by their historical fact not by merit chump. Besides, your *source* doesn't say anything about Saskatchewan as itself as having any *clout* before 1905 but a dimwits proprosal of a massive western province.

First, Haultain was no "dimwit" and was a great Canadian patriot who was knighted and served his country both politically and militarily and was one of the most influential people the prairies has ever witnessed.

Secondly, it was the fear of the single province becoming too large and the ensuing clout of a single prairie province in Ottawa that largely lead to the partition.

[Tman1]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Good grief, you're the one bitching about it in the first place.

Yeah, one year doens't make a difference yet you shit yourself on the 2006 census dummy.

$1:

Because outside of the 1870 Manitoba census and the 1900 quasi scrip census there is virtually no data nor any indication to suggest that a serious count of both natives or Metis who did not belong to a particular parish was ever conducted. I'd be happy for you to enlighten me as I could use the data.

Yet you can't confirm this fact :

$1:

At the turn of the last century Saskatchewan had more people in it then it does a hundred years later

wheather it includes indians or not.

$1:

So now I'm a chump asshole? And you have the audacity to also dismiss outright the Saskatchewan Encyclopedia series as well? How many bloody references do I have to post? You're a waste of time as you'd probably argue this point with Laurier himself.

Nothing so far you have provided has any evidence as to what you are saying. I am not dismissing your copy and pasting information but nothing you are copy and pasting is relevant to what you are saying. You are taking information from other sources and trying to pass them off as information pertaining to "Saskatchewan" and its awesome clout in the world and its "wealthiest jurisdiction". Try saying things in your OWN words.

If your Laurier reference is any relevance to your shitty comebacks, all hail Mcdonald and all his drunkeness in Canadian parliament.

$1:

I said "wealthiest" you flaming asshat. Why are you so desperate to stretch this into something else?

Still doesn't answer anything "wealthiest" or "powerful" jurisdiction in the world but I like how you dodged it two posts up.

$1:

Saskatchewan had a smoking economy that even the 'well to do' of New York were interested in and per capita had the highest income in the world. Today they sit on a mountain of commodities and have the potential to return to their rightful place atop the NA economic hill once certain barriers are removed.

Saskatchewan still has a smoking economy dummy and still doesn't answer how a "New York" newspaper coins Saskatchewan the most power....oh sorry, "wealthiest jurisdiction" on the planet. I might add you and I quote

$1:

And at the time was regarded as the wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet.

is vague and ignorant in itself. What time? Where? When? Why?

The rest of your shit is just pure babble about socialism.

[Tman1]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

First, Haultain was no "dimwit" and was a great Canadian patriot who was knighted and served his country both politically and militarily and was one of the most influential people the prairies has ever witnessed.

Describe how he was a great Canadian patriot, nevermind the fact that his only significance was trying to create a single large western province but ok.

Most of his exploits seem to be in Saskatchewan, the province you seem to hate. I agree in one point, he was a significant figure in the prairies.

$1:

Secondly, it was the fear of the single province becoming too large and the ensuing clout of a single prairie province in Ottawa that largely lead to the partition.

Gee really? Perhaps we should both agree on the hatred of the east.

[grainfedprairieboy]

Tman1 Tman1:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Good grief, you're the one bitching about it in the first place.

Yeah, one year doens't make a difference yet you shit yourself on the 2006 census dummy.

$1:

Because outside of the 1870 Manitoba census and the 1900 quasi scrip census there is virtually no data nor any indication to suggest that a serious count of both natives or Metis who did not belong to a particular parish was ever conducted. I'd be happy for you to enlighten me as I could use the data.

Yet you can't confirm this fact :

$1:

At the turn of the last century Saskatchewan had more people in it then it does a hundred years later

wheather it includes indians or not. dummy.

$1:

So now I'm a chump asshole? And you have the audacity to also dismiss outright the Saskatchewan Encyclopedia series as well? How many bloody references do I have to post? You're a waste of time as you'd probably argue this point with Laurier himself.

Nothing so far you have provided has any evidence as to what you are saying. I am not dismissing your copy and pasting information but nothing you are copy and pasting is relevant to what you are saying. You are taking information from other sources and trying to pass them off as information pertaining to "Saskatchewan" and its awesome clout in the world and its "wealthiest jurisdiction". Try saying things in your OWN words.

If your Laurier reference is any relevance to your shitty comebacks, all hail Mcdonald and all his drunkeness in Canadian parliament.

$1:

I said "wealthiest" you flaming asshat. Why are you so desperate to stretch this into something else?

Still doesn't answer anything "wealthiest" or "powerful" jurisdiction in the world but I like how you dodged it two posts up.

$1:

Saskatchewan had a smoking economy that even the 'well to do' of New York were interested in and per capita had the highest income in the world. Today they sit on a mountain of commodities and have the potential to return to their rightful place atop the NA economic hill once certain barriers are removed.

Saskatchewan still has a smoking economy dummy and still doesn't answer how a "New York" newspaper coins Saskatchewan the most power....oh sorry, "wealthiest jurisdiction" on the planet. I might add you and I quote

$1:

And at the time was regarded as the wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet.

is vague and ignorant in itself. What time? Where? When? Why?

The rest of your shit is just pure babble about socialism.

Wow

Are you a drug user?

[westmanguy]

I'd rather join with Northern/Western Ontario then Saskatchewan.

I am a Manitoban btw.

We have the lowest electricity rates in N. America.

[Tman1]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Tman1 Tman1:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Good grief, you're the one bitching about it in the first place.

Yeah, one year doens't make a difference yet you shit yourself on the 2006 census dummy.

$1:

Because outside of the 1870 Manitoba census and the 1900 quasi scrip census there is virtually no data nor any indication to suggest that a serious count of both natives or Metis who did not belong to a particular parish was ever conducted. I'd be happy for you to enlighten me as I could use the data.

Yet you can't confirm this fact :

$1:

At the turn of the last century Saskatchewan had more people in it then it does a hundred years later

wheather it includes indians or not. dummy.

$1:

So now I'm a chump asshole? And you have the audacity to also dismiss outright the Saskatchewan Encyclopedia series as well? How many bloody references do I have to post? You're a waste of time as you'd probably argue this point with Laurier himself.

Nothing so far you have provided has any evidence as to what you are saying. I am not dismissing your copy and pasting information but nothing you are copy and pasting is relevant to what you are saying. You are taking information from other sources and trying to pass them off as information pertaining to "Saskatchewan" and its awesome clout in the world and its "wealthiest jurisdiction". Try saying things in your OWN words.

If your Laurier reference is any relevance to your shitty comebacks, all hail Mcdonald and all his drunkeness in Canadian parliament.

$1:

I said "wealthiest" you flaming asshat. Why are you so desperate to stretch this into something else?

Still doesn't answer anything "wealthiest" or "powerful" jurisdiction in the world but I like how you dodged it two posts up.

$1:

Saskatchewan had a smoking economy that even the 'well to do' of New York were interested in and per capita had the highest income in the world. Today they sit on a mountain of commodities and have the potential to return to their rightful place atop the NA economic hill once certain barriers are removed.

Saskatchewan still has a smoking economy dummy and still doesn't answer how a "New York" newspaper coins Saskatchewan the most power....oh sorry, "wealthiest jurisdiction" on the planet. I might add you and I quote

$1:

And at the time was regarded as the wealthiest jurisdiction on the planet.

is vague and ignorant in itself. What time? Where? When? Why?

The rest of your shit is just pure babble about socialism.

Wow

Are you a drug user?

Wow

Are you stupid? I'd like to think the education about this country has advanced over the past 30 years.