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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:03 pm
 


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I've worked with them on a few occasions and what I saw were troops that had a bravado and esprit de corps that was off the scale but didn't have the initiative that an average Canadian soldier has.


No offense intended, Brother, but the CF and the USMC have different ideas about what our ideal missions are. Thus you won't see a lot of enthusiasm coming from the Marines when it comes to doing the kind of missions that the CF excels at executing. On the reverse, when I've had CF attached for joint missions what I see are highly effective troops who feel and express a kind of exultation at the operational liberty they experience with a US combat detachment.

We suck at what you do best, true. But you guys rock when you come along for what we do best. :wink:

Your snipers, for instance, are outstanding but you'll notice that their logbooks look best when they are with a US combat detachment operating under US ROE.

Your troops are exceptional, no doubt. But your commanders are almost unwilling to employ them even when they've been deployed to combat zones.

No specifics, for obvious reasons, but I've seen CF get fired at and then pull back on orders arguably to 'calm things down' and then I've seen US forces get fired at and the typical concurrence is to advance on the enemy and pacify them by force. The Brits tend to operate the same way, except for certain organizations in their military.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:40 pm
 


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The people who've had the most illustrating first hand experiences with the abilities of the Marines are dead so I'm not quite sure how that's going to help you. As to the opinions of people who don't like how the Marines properly apply violence, well, those opinions generally emanate from the pie holes of the people who think that sending out unarmed UN troops is a good idea.

As to the negative opinions of people in the forces of other nations, let them say all they want. When they are our enemies they know that if they get out of line that they'll shortly join the ranks of the dead. When they are our erstwhile friends they may put us down on one day and then berate us later on for not being there right when they need us.

I've seen that kind of BS expressed here quite frequently. See, there's that crowd of a-holes who whine that the US (and the Corps) takes 'too much credit' for fighting in WW2 and that how we weren't really needed anyway.

Then a week later they're spouting off in a topic about how the US was derelict in our 'duty to civilization' by not jumping in to two successive World Wars right at the outset because we were needed so badly.

Fine. They'e entitled to their opinions courtesy of the blood shed for them by American soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines.

So you can feel free to doubt the abilities of the Marines but if the sh!t starts to fly in your general direction I've no doubt you'll want us on your speed dial list.


Down Boy!!! lol I'm not so much doubting their abilities as repeating what I've heard from those more qualified than myself. And I've not once said that the marines aren't good so9ldiers. Basically all I've said is that the american propaganda machine has made the marines out to be the greatest warriors in the history of warfare, wheras most of those I've known who've actually worked with them have said that they're fine soldiers, but hardly the superhuman killing machines they're made out to be.

As for the rest of your rant... that really doesn't have anything to do with my original question, which was "just how good are the marines in real life?"


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:45 pm
 


Hey this tread is still going after all this time.


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Hey this tread is still going after all this time.

Only cause I'm a shit disturber ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:21 pm
 


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As for the rest of your rant... that really doesn't have anything to do with my original question, which was "just how good are the marines in real life?"


When would you like to have a tour of Camp Pendleton? It absolutely can be arranged.


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If I could afford to go anywhere right now I'd probably choose some place with an all-inclusive package...

That said, as interesting as that would beI'm not in any way qualified to judge what I'd see there. That's why I asked the question. Was hoping people who do know about these things could tell me.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:13 pm
 


I hear they eat Marines for breakfast at Fort Benning.


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If I could afford to go anywhere right now I'd probably choose some place with an all-inclusive package...




The USMC 3 hots and a cot package. ;)


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Unsound wrote:
If I could afford to go anywhere right now I'd probably choose some place with an all-inclusive package...




The USMC 3 hots and a cot package. ;)

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Travel to exotic locales, meet interesting people........and kill them.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:09 am
 


martin14 wrote:
Unsound wrote:
If I could afford to go anywhere right now I'd probably choose some place with an all-inclusive package...




The USMC 3 hots and a cot package. ;)

I feel like my typical vaccation behaviour might get me in a little bit of trouble in that situation... ;)


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