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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:26 am
 


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Teachers and Classmates Express Outrage at Arrest of Girl, 16, as a Terrorist Threat
by Nina Bernstein


At Heritage High School in East Harlem, where the student idiom is hip-hop and salsa, the 16-year-old Guinean girl stood out, but not just because she wore Islamic dress. She was so well liked that when she ran for student body president, she came in second to one of her best friends - the Christian daughter of the president of the parent-teacher association, Deleen P. Carr.

Now Ms. Carr, a speech pathologist who calls herself "a typical American citizen," is as outraged as the girl's teachers and classmates, who have learned that the girl and another 16-year-old are being called would-be suicide bombers and are being held in an immigration detention center in Pennsylvania.

"They have painted this picture of her as this person that is trying to destroy our way of life, and I know in my heart of hearts that this is bogus," said Ms. Carr, who welcomed the Guinean girl to her house daily and knows her family well. "I feel like, how dare they? She's a minor, and even if she's not a citizen, she has rights as a human being."

According to a government document provided to The New York Times by a federal official earlier this week, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has asserted that both girls are "an imminent threat to the security of the United States based on evidence that they plan to be suicide bombers." No evidence was cited, and federal officials will not comment on the case.

Its mysteries deepened as teachers and neighbors gave details of the Guinean girl's life, like the jeans she wore under her Muslim garb, her lively classroom curiosity about topics like Judaism and art and her after-school care for four younger siblings while her parents, illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States since 1990, eked out a living.

"I just can't fathom this," said her art teacher, Kimberly Lane, who has repeatedly called the youth detention center but like Ms. Carr was not allowed to speak to the girl, who has no lawyer. Among the unanswered questions they raised was why, if she was really a suspect, no F.B.I. agent had shown up to search her school locker or question her classmates, who sent her letters of support.

"This is a girl who's been in this country since she was 2 years old," Ms. Lane said. "She's just a regular teenager - like, two weeks ago her biggest worry was whether she'd done her homework or studied for a science test."

Until now, attention has focused on the other 16-year-old, a Bangladeshi girl reared in Queens who could not deal with the hurly-burly of her West Side high school and withdrew into home schooling. Yesterday, on a motion of the government, an immigration judge closed the Bangladeshi girl's bond hearing to the public and adjourned it to next Thursday, said Troy Mattes, a lawyer who is taking over the case but has yet to meet her.

By the Bangladeshi girl's account, reported by her mother, the girls did not meet until March 24, after their separate arrests in early-morning raids on immigration charges against their parents. Both grew up in Islamic families. But while the Bangladeshi girl had grown increasingly pious, and uncomfortable in the urban culture of the High School of Environmental Studies on West 56th Street, the Guinean girl, a 10th grader, embraced every aspect of Heritage High, at 106th Street and Lexington Avenue, her teachers said.

"She is, yes, an orthodox Muslim, but completely integrated into this school," said Jessica Siegel, her English teacher in a class in which topics like teenage pregnancy and world politics were discussed. Ms. Siegel was profiled in the book "Small Victories," by Samuel G. Freedman, as an unsentimental, but fiercely committed teacher who provoked and delighted her students.

"She's a wonderful, wonderful girl," Ms. Siegel said. "She's about the last person anyone could imagine being a suicide bomber."

The English teacher's most vivid recollection was of a day two months ago when she heard a kind of roar in the hallway of the school, which is full of colorful student collages and life-size sculptures in papier-mâché. The teenager had stopped wearing her veil, and she beamed as her fellow students, seeing her face for the first time, cheered.

After the class read "Night," the Holocaust memoir by Elie Wiesel, the girl wrote a paper about genocide in the Sudan, she recalled. But she was so excited about a field trip to see Christo's "Gates" in Central Park, Ms. Siegel said, that she skipped an appointment at immigration - a teenage impulse the teacher now worries might have set off problems with federal authorities. Her father is now in immigration jail facing deportation.

At Woodrow Wilson Houses a few blocks from the school, a sticker on the family's apartment door reads, "Allah is our protector." Yesterday no one was home, but across the hall, Christine Anderson, a neighbor, shook her head in disbelief when she learned why she had not seen the girl or her father in recent weeks.

"Why would they take the lady's daughter?" she asked. "They're nice people, and hard-working people. I've been here four years. I know she's not a problem child."

Ms. Lane, the art teacher, said that when Heritage High first learned that immigration agents had picked up the girl, one of her best friends asked if someone from the school might have denounced her as an illegal immigrant. "I remember telling her the government doesn't go after 16-year-old girls," Ms. Lane said. "And in the last few days, I'm wrestling with the fact that, yes, it does."



This must be the freedom NYCisHom, Monoprise, and co. have been bragging about.


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I have seen stanger things. They will be given thier due process. (unlike Zundel) And if they are inoccent they should have no fear. If they are guilty they will be deported. BUt look at this report not just that one way report you show which alrady claimed they are inoccent.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 1956.shtml

According to news reports, Adam Carroll, a community activist with the Islamic Circle of North America, representing the parents of one of the girls, told reporters that the case seemed to be "an investigation that’s gotten out of hand, like a lot of other so-called terror investigations," and suggested that the document found on the girl’s computer was, in fact, an essay about suicide and Islam for school.

Caroll, however, who has equated post 9/11 efforts to identify illegal aliens as "ethnic profiling," failed to explain how the document could be a school essay when, in fact, she stopped going to school at the beginning of the school year.



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:57 am
 


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That's why they haven't been allowed to see a lawyer right?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:29 am
 


The grossly unconstitutional USA Patriot Act in action.


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The grossly unconstitutional USA Patriot Act in action.


I have to be honest I am not terrorist so I have no fear of the Patriot act. You should all look back at history and see that during a time of war the USA has always held back certain rights Roosevelt was the frist to inact these policies. Lincoln withdrew th writ of habius corpus during the civil war. Its a matter of process. And the truth of the matter is they are here ileagally so deport them like Bill Clinton and Janet Reno did to poor Elian Gonzalaz. Or was that OK because he was going back to Cuba?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:33 pm
 


Every post of yours that I read screams, "NYC is a terrorist", dude. You're Timmy McVeigh without the brains. Ted Kaczinsky without the purpose. You are a loon, NYC....A terroist looking for a reason to kill. You should be locked up indefinitely and beaten on a regular basis.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:38 pm
 


*nods head in complete agreement* *digs out popcorn for ensuing battle*


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:38 pm
 


lily wrote:
I wonder how many of your 5478 posts are personal attacks?


Now now lily, you should actually read what this NYCishome writes. Although I agree that the terrorist thing is a bit off.


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I have. Doesn't really make a difference. A personal attack is a personal attack. In my opinion it's a sign that you can't come up with a decent point.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:17 pm
 


Hi Lily. Do I know you from elsewhere or are you shy?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:28 pm
 


You did tell me that, Lily...I just wanted it to be clear to others.

To misquote Sonny and Cher, "The grudge goes on."

I'm not going to find you hiding in the bushes by my front door, am I?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:38 pm
 


im confused


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:42 pm
 


Try again, lily.

Maybe your boyfriend will come to your rescue. It's not like he's stalked me all over the internet or anything, after all. Oh wait...he has.

Hugs and kisses. Get a life.


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Try again, lily.

Maybe your boyfriend will come to your rescue. It's not like he's stalked me all over the internet or anything, after all. Oh wait...he has.

Hugs and kisses. Get a life.


I think somebody needs his Meds.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:53 pm
 


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Sorry, there's an odd sub-text that follows me around. you'll get used to it after a bit.

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I think somebody needs his Meds.


I'd rather have yours...Ritalan sounds fun.



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You know who I mean. So does he.


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