[andyt]

DrCaleb wrote:

andyt wrote:

I'm not trying to start a fight here, nor am I defending the Libs or Cons. I'm just trying to clarify it in my own mind. It's easy to complain about politicians, but much harder to offer alternatives of what they should have done. I think the govt has sold out to big business, so I favor solution to rectify that. Like abolishing tax cuts to the oil industry, say. Yet Albertans seem to think those are a really good idea.

But you're not trying to start a fight, no siree!

Oh, I get it now. Stating an opinion is starting a fight. Next you'll call me a troll. Yogi says the politicians have been screwing Canada. Giving away our resources way too cheaply and subsidizing the industry to do so certainly seems like a major way of screwing Canada. If that's considered starting a fight, then bring it.

[dino_bobba_renno]

andyt wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

andyt wrote:

I'm not trying to start a fight here, nor am I defending the Libs or Cons. I'm just trying to clarify it in my own mind. It's easy to complain about politicians, but much harder to offer alternatives of what they should have done. I think the govt has sold out to big business, so I favor solution to rectify that. Like abolishing tax cuts to the oil industry, say. Yet Albertans seem to think those are a really good idea.

But you're not trying to start a fight, no siree!

Oh, I get it now. Stating an opinion is starting a fight. Next you'll call me a troll. Yogi says the politicians have been screwing Canada. Giving away our resources way too cheaply and subsidizing the industry to do so certainly seems like a major way of screwing Canada. If that's considered starting a fight, then bring it.

Careful, don't let those glasses fool ya, Dr.Caleb is one mean mofo in a tussle

[DrCaleb]

andyt wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

andyt wrote:

I'm not trying to start a fight here, nor am I defending the Libs or Cons. I'm just trying to clarify it in my own mind. It's easy to complain about politicians, but much harder to offer alternatives of what they should have done. I think the govt has sold out to big business, so I favor solution to rectify that. Like abolishing tax cuts to the oil industry, say. Yet Albertans seem to think those are a really good idea.

But you're not trying to start a fight, no siree!

Oh, I get it now. Stating an opinion is starting a fight. Next you'll call me a troll. Yogi says the politicians have been screwing Canada. Giving away our resources way too cheaply and subsidizing the industry to do so certainly seems like a major way of screwing Canada. If that's considered starting a fight, then bring it.

Yes, stating unsubstantiated 'facts' is indeed trying to start a fight. You have said you are not Albertan, so how would you know that all Albertans favour subsidies to the oilsands?

We don't.

Quote:

The GSI report [pdf] says removing the $2.82 billion oil subsidies, something the Canadian government has promised to the G20 it will do, would reduce the annual GDP in Alberta's oil sector by 6%, while having zero effect on Canada's national GDP. In fact, removing the subsidies would have a positive impact on the government's budget.

http://theenergycollective.com/nathanae ... -oil-sands

We demand fair value for our resources, and we don't believe that billion dollar a month companies need subsidies. Polling reveals that we demand proper stewardship of our resources, and the government is finally listening.

Quote:

Edmonton — A recent poll showing that Albertans overwhelmingly prefer subsidies for renewable and clean energy sends a message to the Stelmach government that its upcoming budget should include plans to develop a green economy for Alberta.

http://www.aenweb.ca/media/albertans-th ... ean-energy
http://www2.canada.com/edmontonjournal/ ... 54&k=46328

[andyt]

DrCaleb wrote:

Yes, stating unsubstantiated 'facts' is indeed trying to start a fight. You have said you are not Albertan, so how would you know that all Albertans favour subsidies to the oilsands?

We don't.

Show where I used the underlined word. I've certainly had reaction, from presumably Albertans, when I mentioned oil industry subsidies before. If they majority of Albertans were against such ideas on such an important issue to them. I presume they might not keep voting in the people who put these subsidies in place.

[DrCaleb]

andyt wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

Yes, stating unsubstantiated 'facts' is indeed trying to start a fight. You have said you are not Albertan, so how would you know that all Albertans favour subsidies to the oilsands?

We don't.

Show where I used the underlined word. I've certainly had reaction, from presumably Albertans, when I mentioned oil industry subsidies before. If they majority of Albertans were against such ideas on such an important issue to them. I presume they might not keep voting in the people who put these subsidies in place.

Show me where you used the word 'some'.

[Strutz]

Yogi wrote:

I have to vote for one of them! Problem I see though is not a single political party in Canada really does have 'the peoples' best interests at heart!

I couldn't agree more with you Yogi! Now that could be solved by:

DrCaleb wrote:

I'm really hoping my riding has an Independent.

Someone who does represent the people rather than the party...

[Yogi]

Strutz wrote:

Yogi wrote:

I have to vote for one of them! Problem I see though is not a single political party in Canada really does have 'the peoples' best interests at heart!

I couldn't agree more with you Yogi! Now that could be solved by:

DrCaleb wrote:

I'm really hoping my riding has an Independent.

Someone who does represent the people rather than the party...

That's the only 'viable' option that I see as well, Strutz!

[Strutz]

Yogi wrote:

Strutz wrote:

Yogi wrote:

I have to vote for one of them! Problem I see though is not a single political party in Canada really does have 'the peoples' best interests at heart!

I couldn't agree more with you Yogi! Now that could be solved by:

DrCaleb wrote:

I'm really hoping my riding has an Independent.

Someone who does represent the people rather than the party...

That's the only 'viable' option that I see as well, Strutz!

I had a co-worker several years ago that was fortunate enough to live in Chuck Cadman's riding. Apparently, he was one hell of a guy that actually listened to what his neighbors were saying. You have to admit he was certainly NOT one of your "typical" MP's he was the real deal and didn't try to be someone he wasn't.

Now that's what I would love to see... people representing people... screw the "party" platform...

[QBC]

Well, I came up with these two parties that might be worth a vote....

http://www.worklessparty.org/

http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/abprogs.htm

They have to be better than the three blind mice we have at the helm of the "Big Three" political parties.

Too bad the Rhino's didn't make it to official party status this go around.