[Richard]

I would like to start off by saying Heavy_Metal has little or no knowledge of a firefighters life or routine.

I am a member of a "volunteer" hall and I receive $15 per while ON a call. If this call happens when I am at work I loose $100 per, so I do not do it for the money. All of the charity work, local fire awareness classes, school children tours, fireworks in October and numerous other activities are done without expectation of pay.

Heavy _Metal likes to say we do less then other services and mentions Paramedics and Police.

There hasn't been a police officer even shot at here in twenty years ad we are called out twice as often as the paramedics. I realize you feel my job is easy but try this o for size. Since April of this year I have had my name plate melted of my helmet twice and never once did I question why I went in.

Heavy_Metal says firefighters have no skills other then sleeping.

Well if you fell over from a heart attack my friend I would most likely get there first. You may be happy to know I will be the one running the de-fib and doing CPR and weather or not I like your disparaging comments or not will have no bearing on your care.

If you drove over a cliff in the mountains I would likely be on the rope rescue and jaws team that would secure your vehicle against the mountain while we cut you out and stabilized you for transport (yes the paramedics and police would be waiting for you at the road you left)

Heavy_Metal says we squirt a little water on a fire. Something a couple of guys with a water hose could do.

No surprise but wrong again. Upon arrival you have to watch the people at a call looking at the fire being an arson. You have to evaluate the area fast watching for power lines, gas lines,generators sometimes things will tip off a grow op or lab and the police will need to be called. The fire itself may have a back draft or flash over issue to face. Now comes the part that you get the big money for. Entering the house you do a right sweep room to room looking for anything living that may be hiding in a closet under a bed or perhaps in a bathtub. Keep in mind it is so smokey you can't see your own hand and it may be little over 400 degrees.

The last thing to do is mop up. This is where we do everything possible to save evidence for fire investigators and police but make sure the fire is out and they are safe.

"a fire won't dial 911 and slit the throat of the first officer to respond."

You are right ...but a flashover may kill a complete attack team.

"are they doing this EVERYDAY like Police do, no."

Can you name an officer that works 24/7 if you can you lie.

" ....what research...your comment on your buddies is completely irrelevant to the post
it's about how the police are treated compared to firefighters in the public eye for the amount of work they do. fuck, read the post, and understand it before wasting my time"

It is totally relevant, two were officers and one was a firefighter and they share the exact same view of their respective jobs.

Heavy_Metal most people in their life will deal with no officer other then a traffic cop. Do you really think that the man giving you a $200 plus ticket because some prick stole the front plate off of your service truck is going to garner respect. Perhaps the member that gave a young man hundreds in fines for driving his car home after work at 11:30pm without his graduated license letter displayed should get that respect. Maybe the judge that told the young fella in traffic court he should have walked home deserves it more.

Can you not see where the perception comes from Heavy? Do not blame and call down one responder for the sake of another. We all have to work together to get a job done.

[RUEZ]

[ShepherdsDog]

Richard, consider the source.

[EyeBrock]

Richard wrote:

I would like to start off by saying Heavy_Metal has little or no knowledge of a firefighters life or routine.

I am a member of a "volunteer" hall and I receive $15 per while ON a call. If this call happens when I am at work I loose $100 per, so I do not do it for the money. All of the charity work, local fire awareness classes, school children tours, fireworks in October and numerous other activities are done without expectation of pay.

Heavy _Metal likes to say we do less then other services and mentions Paramedics and Police.

There hasn't been a police officer even shot at here in twenty years ad we are called out twice as often as the paramedics. I realize you feel my job is easy but try this o for size. Since April of this year I have had my name plate melted of my helmet twice and never once did I question why I went in.

Heavy_Metal says firefighters have no skills other then sleeping.

Well if you fell over from a heart attack my friend I would most likely get there first. You may be happy to know I will be the one running the de-fib and doing CPR and weather or not I like your disparaging comments or not will have no bearing on your care.

If you drove over a cliff in the mountains I would likely be on the rope rescue and jaws team that would secure your vehicle against the mountain while we cut you out and stabilized you for transport (yes the paramedics and police would be waiting for you at the road you left)

Heavy_Metal says we squirt a little water on a fire. Something a couple of guys with a water hose could do.

No surprise but wrong again. Upon arrival you have to watch the people at a call looking at the fire being an arson. You have to evaluate the area fast watching for power lines, gas lines,generators sometimes things will tip off a grow op or lab and the police will need to be called. The fire itself may have a back draft or flash over issue to face. Now comes the part that you get the big money for. Entering the house you do a right sweep room to room looking for anything living that may be hiding in a closet under a bed or perhaps in a bathtub. Keep in mind it is so smokey you can't see your own hand and it may be little over 400 degrees.

The last thing to do is mop up. This is where we do everything possible to save evidence for fire investigators and police but make sure the fire is out and they are safe.

"a fire won't dial 911 and slit the throat of the first officer to respond."

You are right ...but a flashover may kill a complete attack team.

"are they doing this EVERYDAY like Police do, no."

Can you name an officer that works 24/7 if you can you lie.

" ....what research...your comment on your buddies is completely irrelevant to the post
it's about how the police are treated compared to firefighters in the public eye for the amount of work they do. fuck, read the post, and understand it before wasting my time"

It is totally relevant, two were officers and one was a firefighter and they share the exact same view of their respective jobs.

Heavy_Metal most people in their life will deal with no officer other then a traffic cop. Do you really think that the man giving you a $200 plus ticket because some prick stole the front plate off of your service truck is going to garner respect. Perhaps the member that gave a young man hundreds in fines for driving his car home after work at 11:30pm without his graduated license letter displayed should get that respect. Maybe the judge that told the young fella in traffic court he should have walked home deserves it more.

Can you not see where the perception comes from Heavy? Do not blame and call down one responder for the sake of another. We all have to work together to get a job done.

I don't want to get into a pissing match with a part time fire fighter but you should temper your comments on Police while you preach the same to the idiot who made the anti-fire fighter posts.

You obviously know nothing about what Police Officers do and your derogatory comments illuminate that fact quite well..

[Mustang1]

I actually have a tremendous amount of respect for firefitghters and their role in soceity. In fact, i also appreciate police and the sacrifices they make, for that matter. The former thread was an exercise in fractured logic, ignorance, disrespect and social retardation - there was no merit to it, so most us just resorted to picking apart the sheer utter idiocy of the dreck posted by a Laurentian student. You don't need to justify your profession as most of us hold it in the highest regard and don't even see why the little misguided troll's junk is dignified with a response. I respect your work and commend you on your volunteer service.


The problem with our little miscreant, Heavy Metal aka Laurentian Loser, is that he's rationalizing his station in life. He's obviously some frustrated wannabe intellectual (pre-law at Laurentian? There's no such thing) who needs to learn that his opinion counts for squat and that just because he can't fathom basic common sense doesn't mean its endemic beyond his finger puppets 101 class.

Any way you slice it, firefighters, police and paramedics are indispensable members of society. Laurentian students? That's another story

[Regina]

I missed most of what went on yesterday except for the start of it, which I thought was only a joke. After reading through a few of the many pages that were finally locked down I see that he was actually serious. I sincerely hope HM never needs the services of that profession, for I fear they would never be capable of getting all the crow out of his throat and would choke.
Years ago I applied to be a fireman. I wrote their test, did the fitness test and interviews and was accepted for the job. It was a tough decision but I decided to continue with the career path I was on and declined. Two of my closest friends at the time were hired and are still with the department and love the job. We joke about the pillow fights and sleep over thing but anyone who can read a newspaper or has any sense of self preservation should be able to figure out it's not all polishing the truck and feeding Dalmations. Along with the mundane parts of the job there's obviously graphically disturbing images they need to deal with........hands on.
One only need to recall who was running past all the people fleeing the World Trade Center buildings on 911. Yes it was on a much bigger scale, but if there's one or two running from a burning house there's 10 guys here that would be running straight into it. Sound like fun? If so those people need to sign up at the crash test dummy factory.

[Mustang1]

Regina wrote:

I missed most of what went on yesterday except for the start of it, which I thought was only a joke. After reading through a few of the many pages that were finally locked down I see that he was actually serious. I sincerely hope HM never needs the services of that profession, for I fear they would never be capable of getting all the crow out of his throat and would choke.
Years ago I applied to be a fireman. I wrote their test, did the fitness test and interviews and was accepted for the job. It was a tough decision but I decided to continue with the career path I was on and declined. Two of my closest friends at the time were hired and are still with the department and love the job. We joke about the pillow fights and sleep over thing but anyone who can read a newspaper or has any sense of self preservation should be able to figure out it's not all polishing the truck and feeding Dalmations. Along with the mundane parts of the job there's obviously graphically disturbing images they need to deal with........hands on.
One only need to recall who was running past all the people fleeing the World Trade Center buildings on 911. Yes it was on a much bigger scale, but if there's one or two running from a burning house there's 10 guys here that would be running straight into it. Sound like fun? If so those people need to sign up at the crash test dummy factory.

[Richard]

EyeBrock wrote:

Richard wrote:

I would like to start off by saying Heavy_Metal has little or no knowledge of a firefighters life or routine.

I am a member of a "volunteer" hall and I receive $15 per while ON a call. If this call happens when I am at work I loose $100 per, so I do not do it for the money. All of the charity work, local fire awareness classes, school children tours, fireworks in October and numerous other activities are done without expectation of pay.

Heavy _Metal likes to say we do less then other services and mentions Paramedics and Police.

There hasn't been a police officer even shot at here in twenty years ad we are called out twice as often as the paramedics. I realize you feel my job is easy but try this o for size. Since April of this year I have had my name plate melted of my helmet twice and never once did I question why I went in.

Heavy_Metal says firefighters have no skills other then sleeping.

Well if you fell over from a heart attack my friend I would most likely get there first. You may be happy to know I will be the one running the de-fib and doing CPR and weather or not I like your disparaging comments or not will have no bearing on your care.

If you drove over a cliff in the mountains I would likely be on the rope rescue and jaws team that would secure your vehicle against the mountain while we cut you out and stabilized you for transport (yes the paramedics and police would be waiting for you at the road you left)

Heavy_Metal says we squirt a little water on a fire. Something a couple of guys with a water hose could do.

No surprise but wrong again. Upon arrival you have to watch the people at a call looking at the fire being an arson. You have to evaluate the area fast watching for power lines, gas lines,generators sometimes things will tip off a grow op or lab and the police will need to be called. The fire itself may have a back draft or flash over issue to face. Now comes the part that you get the big money for. Entering the house you do a right sweep room to room looking for anything living that may be hiding in a closet under a bed or perhaps in a bathtub. Keep in mind it is so smokey you can't see your own hand and it may be little over 400 degrees.

The last thing to do is mop up. This is where we do everything possible to save evidence for fire investigators and police but make sure the fire is out and they are safe.

"a fire won't dial 911 and slit the throat of the first officer to respond."

You are right ...but a flashover may kill a complete attack team.

"are they doing this EVERYDAY like Police do, no."

Can you name an officer that works 24/7 if you can you lie.

" ....what research...your comment on your buddies is completely irrelevant to the post
it's about how the police are treated compared to firefighters in the public eye for the amount of work they do. fuck, read the post, and understand it before wasting my time"

It is totally relevant, two were officers and one was a firefighter and they share the exact same view of their respective jobs.

Heavy_Metal most people in their life will deal with no officer other then a traffic cop. Do you really think that the man giving you a $200 plus ticket because some prick stole the front plate off of your service truck is going to garner respect. Perhaps the member that gave a young man hundreds in fines for driving his car home after work at 11:30pm without his graduated license letter displayed should get that respect. Maybe the judge that told the young fella in traffic court he should have walked home deserves it more.

Can you not see where the perception comes from Heavy? Do not blame and call down one responder for the sake of another. We all have to work together to get a job done.

I don't want to get into a pissing match with a part time fire fighter but you should temper your comments on Police while you preach the same to the idiot who made the anti-fire fighter posts.

You obviously know nothing about what Police Officers do and your derogatory comments illuminate that fact quite well..

You missed the point completely, however in doing so you proved my point about perceptions.

Your attempt to bitch slap me and call me a part time fire fighter is in fact a pissy comment by someone that cold not understand how I was trying show why the fireman is "perceived" to have more respect. Read it agan with that n mind.

I have not been a member of the RCMP but to say I have no knowledge of the police or policing actions would be wrong.

[WDHIII]

Richard wrote:

I would like to start off by saying Heavy_Metal has little or no knowledge of a firefighters life or routine.

I am a member of a "volunteer" hall and I receive $15 per while ON a call. If this call happens when I am at work I loose $100 per, so I do not do it for the money. All of the charity work, local fire awareness classes, school children tours, fireworks in October and numerous other activities are done without expectation of pay.

Heavy _Metal likes to say we do less then other services and mentions Paramedics and Police.

There hasn't been a police officer even shot at here in twenty years ad we are called out twice as often as the paramedics. I realize you feel my job is easy but try this o for size. Since April of this year I have had my name plate melted of my helmet twice and never once did I question why I went in.

Heavy_Metal says firefighters have no skills other then sleeping.

Well if you fell over from a heart attack my friend I would most likely get there first. You may be happy to know I will be the one running the de-fib and doing CPR and weather or not I like your disparaging comments or not will have no bearing on your care.

If you drove over a cliff in the mountains I would likely be on the rope rescue and jaws team that would secure your vehicle against the mountain while we cut you out and stabilized you for transport (yes the paramedics and police would be waiting for you at the road you left)

Heavy_Metal says we squirt a little water on a fire. Something a couple of guys with a water hose could do.

No surprise but wrong again. Upon arrival you have to watch the people at a call looking at the fire being an arson. You have to evaluate the area fast watching for power lines, gas lines,generators sometimes things will tip off a grow op or lab and the police will need to be called. The fire itself may have a back draft or flash over issue to face. Now comes the part that you get the big money for. Entering the house you do a right sweep room to room looking for anything living that may be hiding in a closet under a bed or perhaps in a bathtub. Keep in mind it is so smokey you can't see your own hand and it may be little over 400 degrees.

The last thing to do is mop up. This is where we do everything possible to save evidence for fire investigators and police but make sure the fire is out and they are safe.

"a fire won't dial 911 and slit the throat of the first officer to respond."

You are right ...but a flashover may kill a complete attack team.

"are they doing this EVERYDAY like Police do, no."

Can you name an officer that works 24/7 if you can you lie.

" ....what research...your comment on your buddies is completely irrelevant to the post
it's about how the police are treated compared to firefighters in the public eye for the amount of work they do. fuck, read the post, and understand it before wasting my time"

It is totally relevant, two were officers and one was a firefighter and they share the exact same view of their respective jobs.

Heavy_Metal most people in their life will deal with no officer other then a traffic cop. Do you really think that the man giving you a $200 plus ticket because some prick stole the front plate off of your service truck is going to garner respect. Perhaps the member that gave a young man hundreds in fines for driving his car home after work at 11:30pm without his graduated license letter displayed should get that respect. Maybe the judge that told the young fella in traffic court he should have walked home deserves it more.

Can you not see where the perception comes from Heavy? Do not blame and call down one responder for the sake of another. We all have to work together to get a job done.

Sometimes perception is everything and while people MAY be temporarily pissed at the guy who stole their license plate or gave them a ticket for doing 60 in a 50 zone (been there) it quickly fades when you suddenly find yourself seeking one out because the neighbours sittin on his front porch with a shotgun on his lap or the party down the street is just a little TOO loud.

My only problem with HMs thead was the way he posed his opening "argument"... instead of saying we should respect our peace officers more he tore the firefighting profession down.

What surprised me MOST was HIS surprise at the response he got...

[2Cdo]

Damn, left to make supper then proceeded to go work in the woodshop for the rest of the evening and missed all the fun in the other thread. Heavy metal completely missed the irony in his demand for more respect for police while calling firefighters useless lazy overpaid losers.

Like Mustang said, all three services play an important role in society, and all three should be respected.

Quote:

Any way you slice it, firefighters, police and paramedics are indispensable members of society. Laurentian students? That's another story

Now that made me laugh!

[novachick]

Richard wrote:

I would like to start off by saying Heavy_Metal has little or no knowledge of a firefighters life or routine.

I am a member of a "volunteer" hall and I receive $15 per while ON a call. If this call happens when I am at work I loose $100 per, so I do not do it for the money. All of the charity work, local fire awareness classes, school children tours, fireworks in October and numerous other activities are done without expectation of pay.

Heavy _Metal likes to say we do less then other services and mentions Paramedics and Police.

There hasn't been a police officer even shot at here in twenty years ad we are called out twice as often as the paramedics. I realize you feel my job is easy but try this o for size. Since April of this year I have had my name plate melted of my helmet twice and never once did I question why I went in.

Heavy_Metal says firefighters have no skills other then sleeping.

Well if you fell over from a heart attack my friend I would most likely get there first. You may be happy to know I will be the one running the de-fib and doing CPR and weather or not I like your disparaging comments or not will have no bearing on your care.

If you drove over a cliff in the mountains I would likely be on the rope rescue and jaws team that would secure your vehicle against the mountain while we cut you out and stabilized you for transport (yes the paramedics and police would be waiting for you at the road you left)

Heavy_Metal says we squirt a little water on a fire. Something a couple of guys with a water hose could do.

No surprise but wrong again. Upon arrival you have to watch the people at a call looking at the fire being an arson. You have to evaluate the area fast watching for power lines, gas lines,generators sometimes things will tip off a grow op or lab and the police will need to be called. The fire itself may have a back draft or flash over issue to face. Now comes the part that you get the big money for. Entering the house you do a right sweep room to room looking for anything living that may be hiding in a closet under a bed or perhaps in a bathtub. Keep in mind it is so smokey you can't see your own hand and it may be little over 400 degrees.

The last thing to do is mop up. This is where we do everything possible to save evidence for fire investigators and police but make sure the fire is out and they are safe.

"a fire won't dial 911 and slit the throat of the first officer to respond."

You are right ...but a flashover may kill a complete attack team.

"are they doing this EVERYDAY like Police do, no."

Can you name an officer that works 24/7 if you can you lie.

" ....what research...your comment on your buddies is completely irrelevant to the post
it's about how the police are treated compared to firefighters in the public eye for the amount of work they do. fuck, read the post, and understand it before wasting my time"

It is totally relevant, two were officers and one was a firefighter and they share the exact same view of their respective jobs.

Heavy_Metal most people in their life will deal with no officer other then a traffic cop. Do you really think that the man giving you a $200 plus ticket because some prick stole the front plate off of your service truck is going to garner respect. Perhaps the member that gave a young man hundreds in fines for driving his car home after work at 11:30pm without his graduated license letter displayed should get that respect. Maybe the judge that told the young fella in traffic court he should have walked home deserves it more.

Can you not see where the perception comes from Heavy? Do not blame and call down one responder for the sake of another. We all have to work together to get a job done.

[EyeBrock]

Richard wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Richard wrote:

I would like to start off by saying Heavy_Metal has little or no knowledge of a firefighters life or routine.

I am a member of a "volunteer" hall and I receive $15 per while ON a call. If this call happens when I am at work I loose $100 per, so I do not do it for the money. All of the charity work, local fire awareness classes, school children tours, fireworks in October and numerous other activities are done without expectation of pay.

Heavy _Metal likes to say we do less then other services and mentions Paramedics and Police.

There hasn't been a police officer even shot at here in twenty years ad we are called out twice as often as the paramedics. I realize you feel my job is easy but try this o for size. Since April of this year I have had my name plate melted of my helmet twice and never once did I question why I went in.

Heavy_Metal says firefighters have no skills other then sleeping.

Well if you fell over from a heart attack my friend I would most likely get there first. You may be happy to know I will be the one running the de-fib and doing CPR and weather or not I like your disparaging comments or not will have no bearing on your care.

If you drove over a cliff in the mountains I would likely be on the rope rescue and jaws team that would secure your vehicle against the mountain while we cut you out and stabilized you for transport (yes the paramedics and police would be waiting for you at the road you left)

Heavy_Metal says we squirt a little water on a fire. Something a couple of guys with a water hose could do.

No surprise but wrong again. Upon arrival you have to watch the people at a call looking at the fire being an arson. You have to evaluate the area fast watching for power lines, gas lines,generators sometimes things will tip off a grow op or lab and the police will need to be called. The fire itself may have a back draft or flash over issue to face. Now comes the part that you get the big money for. Entering the house you do a right sweep room to room looking for anything living that may be hiding in a closet under a bed or perhaps in a bathtub. Keep in mind it is so smokey you can't see your own hand and it may be little over 400 degrees.

The last thing to do is mop up. This is where we do everything possible to save evidence for fire investigators and police but make sure the fire is out and they are safe.

"a fire won't dial 911 and slit the throat of the first officer to respond."

You are right ...but a flashover may kill a complete attack team.

"are they doing this EVERYDAY like Police do, no."

Can you name an officer that works 24/7 if you can you lie.

" ....what research...your comment on your buddies is completely irrelevant to the post
it's about how the police are treated compared to firefighters in the public eye for the amount of work they do. fuck, read the post, and understand it before wasting my time"

It is totally relevant, two were officers and one was a firefighter and they share the exact same view of their respective jobs.

Heavy_Metal most people in their life will deal with no officer other then a traffic cop. Do you really think that the man giving you a $200 plus ticket because some prick stole the front plate off of your service truck is going to garner respect. Perhaps the member that gave a young man hundreds in fines for driving his car home after work at 11:30pm without his graduated license letter displayed should get that respect. Maybe the judge that told the young fella in traffic court he should have walked home deserves it more.

Can you not see where the perception comes from Heavy? Do not blame and call down one responder for the sake of another. We all have to work together to get a job done.

I don't want to get into a pissing match with a part time fire fighter but you should temper your comments on Police while you preach the same to the idiot who made the anti-fire fighter posts.

You obviously know nothing about what Police Officers do and your derogatory comments illuminate that fact quite well..

You missed the point completely, however in doing so you proved my point about perceptions.

Your attempt to bitch slap me and call me a part time fire fighter is in fact a pissy comment by someone that cold not understand how I was trying show why the fireman is "perceived" to have more respect. Read it agan with that n mind.

I have not been a member of the RCMP but to say I have no knowledge of the police or policing actions would be wrong.

Are you not a part time fire fighter?
If you are full time I apologise.
No bitch slapping here mate but when you speak of Police like you did don't expect all the cops to agree with you.
I'll take your views on Policing on par when you know a little more about the job.

[Richard]

Yet again you didn't see the point

I was speaking from the viewpoint of the average person on the street that usually only deals with a traffic or highway patrol officer and the fact their perception may be skewed because of it.

I notice when some people don't have a compelling argument they try to discredit the individual they are talking to with dime store lawyer tact, stick to the evidence and facts like a respected lawyer or officer.

[EyeBrock]

Richard wrote:

Yet again you didn't see the point

I was speaking from the viewpoint of the average person on the street that usually only deals with a traffic or highway patrol officer and the fact their perception may be skewed because of it.

I notice when some people don't have a compelling argument they try to discredit the individual they are talking to with dime store lawyer tact, stick to the evidence and facts like a respected lawyer or officer.

No, you started this thread as a viewpoint of a 'firefighter'. I replied in like. I am not trying to discredit anybody. I have not slagged firefighters but you slagged the cops, albeit ever so slightly.

No disrespect to you being a part time fire fighter, I think it shows a high level of community involvement.
I'm a professional and I took exception to your comments. That was the jist of my post.
I have no time for metal chappy who obviously knows little about either job but I will not stand silent whilst cops are dissed by somebody who has a 'little knowledge' of the job. I'm sure your a good chap and I note you are vet as am I. I suggested you temper your views on police in my first post and I stick by that.
I on the other hand think fire fighters do a valuable and vital job. I see no need to slag off fire fighters to prove my point, I merely suggested you do likewise with cops.

[Heavy_Metal]

WOW.....ok....this is the LAST time i'm an going to explain my post.

I am not blind to the work firefighters do, THE POST WAS NOT ABOUT THE KIND OF WORK, OR WHETHER VOLUNTEERS GET PAID OR NOT!! it was about the amount of respect given to firefighters compared to police. it is a FACT, police do MORE work than firefighters, if you rebutt me on this, YOU KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT POLICE GO THROUGH. respect, NOT WORK.

now i will respond.... to what Richard has said, he took the time, made some legit comments, and some comments which shows me that some aspects of my thread SAILED OVER HIS HEAD much like the other winners bashing me....and for some reason my university...on my previous post.

right: ok, first paragraph, your routine...ok...enlighten me....it is my experience that firefighting is a reactionary force, sure you send some captains to schools and business teach them how to get out of a house and how to put out a grease fire,yes all good and very necessary but that's the extent of fire prevention. if you want to add a few more be my guest. therefore being a reactionary force, firefighters stay in their hall, reading, eating, watching tv, training, checking equipment and when they hear the bell, off they go. if i am COMPLETELY wrong in my interpretation of the routine of a firefighter...please tell me what i missed.

second para: i wanna start by saying, my comment on their wages was leveled toward FULL TIME firefighters, not the volunteers. i have one buddy i work with who is a volunteer firefighter, he has told me that he not only gets an hourly wage (true not competitive to other work) but he also gets tax right offs for the 'free volunteer work' he does. but really pay is a non issue, like you said, you do it for the rush and the love of the job, same reason why police/paramedics go out on the streets every day with idiots TRYING to kill them, and all the infectious blood born diseases out there, yes i know you firefighters respond to accidents and the like where you may come in contact with some gnarley things, but paramedics do deal with those situations more than firefighters.

third para: you are taking your views from one speck of this country, where i was commenting on the respect level for emergency services country wide. but for argument sake, lets talk about your town:
how many police officers have been assaulted? threatened? had broken bones? been injured in crashes due to some idiot without a license plate sticker decides to run and try to bash the police vehicles in his attempt? how many knife wounds? how many times will an officer walk through an alley way and think will there be a shotgun in my face around the next corner? how many officers were spat on by some TB carrying scumbag? or scratched by an HIV infected person and spend the next 3 months going for tests and stressing over the thought that he might have aids? not everything has to be boiled down to the ultimate sacrifice...if you had read the original post and the rest of the threads...i have said this before! i never said i thought your job is easy, you have to push down that adavistic tendency to run like fuck away from a fire, i am aware of this, and yes respect totally for what you do....WHEN YOU ARE DOING IT.....as for your name badge.....um...non issue....metal melts....tell them to make your name tag out of a higher heat resistant metal. of course you didn't question, you wouldn't be a firefighter if you stood outside a burning house debating 'should i, or shouldn't i'.

forth para: ugh...if you had READ my post, you'll see that no where did i say they have no skills other than sleeping, i said they do that all the time when there is no fire to go to, and the firetruck is all nice and shiny. glad you brought up the de-fib, i have my defibulator training through the work i do, and i know you guys use the same unit i was trained on....guy, we were taught it in 15 minutes, place pad here and here, wait.........ready for shock....beep...beep....push button.....charge administered....check breathing....check pulse.....resume cpr. yup, i can see where hours upon hours of intense training is needed . your damn right you'd care for me even if i directly insulted your mother, THAT IS YOUR JOB! your ass would be kicked off the force if you refused to help me because i decided to practice my freedom of expression. True about the hight level rescue, another buddy i work with just got his qualification for high level rescue, fantastic course, fantastic skill!

fifth para: not wrong...it does all boil down to, fire......water...no more fire....yaaayyyy. the fact that you do all the preliminary action is for your safety, the only really relevant thing done is the charging into the house to do the room sweeps. again, if you read my whole post you would have seen that i do mention your dashing into burning buildings to save people, but you know what....so do police, so do the regular civilian, without the safety equipment you firefighters are privy to. YES I KNOW THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN ON A REGULAR BASIS, i am just stating that you guys aren't the ONLY ones to dash into a fire. yes the mop up....well ask yourself....would you have done a PROPER job if you put out the majority of the flames just to have it flair up in an hour or two, what's involved MOSTLY in the mop up? more water on hot spots....just a microcosm of what you did earlier for the big fire.

sixth para: your right, a flash over can kill an entire entry team, and a rifle toting farmer will do the same. one difference....flash over is NATURE, a guy sitting in his barn with a high powered rifle IS WAITING TO KILL POLICE, with proper vigilance death from a flash over can be avoided. You could have God like vigilance and it still won't allow you to see a gun toting maniac properly concealed, there are warnings to a flash over, there is no warning of a snipers bullet to the head.

seventh para: here is where YOU display YOUR lack of knowledge regarding police. once a police officer ALWAYS A POLICE OFFICER, it is true a police officer is NEVER OFF DUTY, this is why they have wallet badges, so that they can intervene even out of uniform as a police officer to stop a crime or what have you. all of my instructors in PFP were retired cops, they told us about incidents where they would be off duty in their own vehicles, witness someone excessively speeding, or driving dangerously, they drove beside them, flashed their badge and pulled them to the side of the road to wait for a uniform to administer a ticket, take the person into custody what have you. once a cop always a cop, now before you start yelling that i am a lier from the mountain tops, ask a cop if they saw something when they are out of uniform if they would intervene as a civilian or a police officer with a badge in their wallet?
i can throw the question back at you, would you jump into action as a firefighter if you saw a fire while you were off duty? YES YOU WOULD, because the same goes for firefighters, once one, always one. don't confuse happening on a fire with patrolling, because as i've stated before, firefighters don't patrol for fires.

eighth para: ugh...i am so tired of repeating my self, READ THE ORIGINAL POST! i don't care how members of the service view their respective jobs, i care about the amount of respect given by the GENERAL POPULATION, this is why his response was irrelevant.

ninth para...finally: yes 100% most of people only deal with police when they are receiving a traffic ticket, well at least this is their interaction face to face. what people don't realize and are OBVIOUSLY COMPLETELY IGNORANT TO, is all the preventative work that the police do. do you honestly have any reason to strap a bullet proof vest on when walking out side (other than in Toronto...fuck)? no, does organized crime run this country? no, do people walk in the streets TERRIFIED because they have no protection from other people? no, do people realize that by getting the ticket because they are going 100 in a 40 zone is preventing a horrific accident requiring you firefighters getting out of bed to cut the kid out of a car? NO! now if a firefighter gives a person a nice fat ticket for not having a fire permit, or what have you, you hear....'aaawww fuck, that's a lot of money....oh well WE LOVE FIREFIGHTERS!!!' you know what happens to police when a person doesn't like a speeding ticket? THEY GET FUCKING SHOT!!!! one example springs into my mind from my little ass town of Penetang in Southern Ontario, cop gave this delivery driver a speeding ticket, hours later officer was enjoying a beer in a bar after shift...well the last thing that officer heard was 'remember me' before the delivery driver BLEW HIS HEAD OFF! for a speeding ticket! no this is not a crazy extreme example, do some research....FUCK AND I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, if you would have read my post i wouldn't have to waist my time, but again post has fallen upon blind eyes.....one of the most dangerous and nerve wracking thing a police officer does is make a 'routine' traffic stop, now if you would have read the thread previous you would have seen this response and all the factors racing through the head of a police officer as he makes his way to a stopped vehicle.

can you now see where my perception comes from? there was never any blame, you know what, it's about fucking time someone harps on firefighters, you talk about call down on one responder, how many times have you gotten pissed at a police officer and called him a fucking idiot pig because he didn't care that you are a volunteer firefighter and gave you a speeding ticket, if not you then the thousands of other firefighters who think they are above the law because they are firefighters, no i am not closed minded, i know police officers do that all the time, yes sometimes they get away with it (as do firefighters), but mostly they are ticked like everyone else.

hope you packed a parachute before that bombing run, cauz your plane is going down in flames.