[Macguyver]

What a bunch of bullshit:
59 Charges against 17 people and all but 8 charges dropped:

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The court case ended Tuesday before it went to trial. Six of the defendants pleaded guilty to counselling mischief and two of those to an additional count of counselling to obstruct police, while 11 people had their criminal charges dropped.

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It was a massive case: 59 criminal charges in all, more than 70,000 pages of Crown evidence disclosed to the defence, and months of scheduled testimony.

At one meeting:

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Adam Lewis, one of the 17 accused conspirators in the G20 case, interjected, “Kill whitey!” The group chuckled. Lewis, like all but one of his co-accused, is white.
When a Crown lawyer asked the officer what he thought Lewis meant, Showan said in complete seriousness, to "kill white people."

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In all, the RCMP-led joint intelligence group — a conglomeration of federal, provincial and municipal police tasked with G8/G20 reconnaissance — employed more than 500 people at its peak, the records show. The group ran undercover operations, recruited confidential informants and liaised with domestic and foreign governments, law enforcement agencies and even corporations.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/g20-case-reveals-largest-ever-police-spy-operation-214846452.html

What a fcuking waste of time and money! You want cops to find the fuckers who broke into your house and took yur sex toys? Too bad, they are too busy compiling 70k pages of BS so they can get 6 mischief and 2 obstruction charges...500+ cops.

It's like we have the Keystone Cops times 100!

Who, exactly are the police supposed to be protecting? The citizens of this country and our rights (and money) or the government and the businesses and the foreign diplomats and their money?

They are protecting those folks against the people of this country, stepping on our rights, using our tax dollars.

We should be doing body cavity searches of all the foreigners who attend these sorts of summits, we should be monitoring them to see which of them have spies here who might want to steal our corporate and government secrets. We should be making sure that these people are not handing stacks of cash to our government representatives.

We should not be spying on our own people. We are not the enemy.

[BartSimpson]

Macguyver wrote:

We should not be spying on our own people. We are not the enemy.

Sure you are. Canadians have enabled a virtual police state courtesy of a number of artifices and now anyone who rails against those constructs is an enemy of said state.

You're an enemy of the state simply by objecting to the state considering you to be its enemy.

How dare you question your betters.

[andyt]

At least they weren't convicted of counselling to commit mischief not carried out or whatever that bullshit was at Caledonia.

The male undercover also acted as agent provacateur, suggesting the group take monkey wrenches and destroy equipment.

Sure doesn't sound like they got some serious criminals here - counselling to commit mischief. OMG.

[OnTheIce]

Macguyver wrote:

Who, exactly are the police supposed to be protecting? The citizens of this country and our rights (and money) or the government and the businesses and the foreign diplomats and their money?

The business and people of Toronto that had their property or businesses damaged by these assholes.

Why bother prosecute? Let's just let these people run around, ruin businesses, loot stores, burn cars....cause the cost to go after them is too much.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson wrote:

Macguyver wrote:

We should not be spying on our own people. We are not the enemy.

Sure you are. Canadians have enabled a virtual police state courtesy of a number of artifices and now anyone who rails against those constructs is an enemy of said state.

You're an enemy of the state simply by objecting to the state considering you to be its enemy.

How dare you question your betters.

Wish I could rep you.

I liked how he calls for cavity searches and monitoring protesters, then decries spying on citizens. Love the irony!

[andyt]

DrCaleb wrote:

I liked how he calls for cavity searches and monitoring protesters, then decries spying on citizens. Love the irony!

Re-read what he said.

Sounds a bit over the top, but paying more attention to foreign spies has some merit.

I do want the police to infiltrate radical groups. That's how we catch Muslim extremists for instance. But I don't want the police acting as agent provocateurs, nor spending this much time and effort on what seem to be pretty harmless people.

[OnTheIce]

andyt wrote:

pretty harmless people.

Harmless.

[DrCaleb]

andyt wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

I liked how he calls for cavity searches and monitoring protesters, then decries spying on citizens. Love the irony!

Re-read what he said.

Sounds a bit over the top, but paying more attention to foreign spies has some merit.

I do want the police to infiltrate radical groups. That's how we catch Muslim extremists for instance. But I don't want the police acting as agent provocateurs, nor spending this much time and effort on what seem to be pretty harmless people.

I read what he said.

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We should be doing body cavity searches of all the foreigners who attend these sorts of summits, we should be monitoring them to see which of them have spies here who might want to steal our corporate and government secrets. We should be making sure that these people are not handing stacks of cash to our government representatives.

We should not be spying on our own people. We are not the enemy.

How does one identify the foreigners in a protest vs the citizens if you aren't spying on the whole lot? Why do protesters need to be spied on to begin with? (I'm not talking hardcore anarchists or muslim terrorists here, just the people who want to use their constitutional right to freely and peacefully assemble to let the people who represent them know how they should be representing them)

You can't. You have to arrest and ID the whole lot to identify the 'foreigners' and trouble makers - which is where the police at the G20 protests got in trouble to begin with. And where Maguivers post becomes ironic.

[andyt]

DrCaleb wrote:

andyt wrote:

DrCaleb wrote:

I liked how he calls for cavity searches and monitoring protesters, then decries spying on citizens. Love the irony!

Re-read what he said.

Sounds a bit over the top, but paying more attention to foreign spies has some merit.

I do want the police to infiltrate radical groups. That's how we catch Muslim extremists for instance. But I don't want the police acting as agent provocateurs, nor spending this much time and effort on what seem to be pretty harmless people.

I read what he said.

Quote:

We should be doing body cavity searches of all the foreigners who attend these sorts of summits, we should be monitoring them to see which of them have spies here who might want to steal our corporate and government secrets. We should be making sure that these people are not handing stacks of cash to our government representatives.

We should not be spying on our own people. We are not the enemy.

How does one identify the foreigners in a protest vs the citizens if you aren't spying on the whole lot? Why do protesters need to be spied on to begin with? (I'm not talking hardcore anarchists or muslim terrorists here, just the people who want to use their constitutional right to freely and peacefully assemble to let the people who represent them know how they should be representing them)

You can't. You have to arrest and ID the whole lot to identify the 'foreigners' and trouble makers - which is where the police at the G20 protests got in trouble to begin with. And where Maguivers post becomes ironic.

Read again. He's not talking about protesters, but summit attendees. Doubt if doing a cavity search of Wen Jiabao will stop much spying or do much for trade relations. Much more we should be watching Chinese immigrants who maintain loyalty to China. But McG would hate that, since he loooooves immigrants.

[DrCaleb]

I suppose it could be interpreted like that too.

[Macguyver]

OnTheIce wrote:

andyt wrote:

pretty harmless people.

Harmless.

I'm going to buy myself a pair of boots just like those! Just ask any cop, high top combats are the cats ass when you're out provoking riots.

[Macguyver]

Oh don't forget this terrible terrorist at large in Queen's Park during the protest with his daughter.

They ripped his prosthetic leg off, lost his glasses and kept him in jail for 27 hours.

Nevermind the cuts and scrapes because he was dragged by the cops because he couldn't hop fast enough.

Remind me again who the bad guys are, because more and more i'm thinking that anyone who disagrees with corporate greed and government corruption is labeled as "enemy of the state".

This is one real bad motherfucker. Good thing we spent a billion dollars to keep him from doing some bad shit.

[Thanos]

OnTheIce wrote:

Macguyver wrote:

Who, exactly are the police supposed to be protecting? The citizens of this country and our rights (and money) or the government and the businesses and the foreign diplomats and their money?

The business and people of Toronto that had their property or businesses damaged by these assholes.

Why bother prosecute? Let's just let these people run around, ruin businesses, loot stores, burn cars....cause the cost to go after them is too much.

Succinct preview of how the Vancouver riot trials are all going to turn out in the end. Somedays I actually wish that we did have that police state that Bart thinks exists up here, just so we could keep some of the scum in line.

[Tricks]

Macguyver wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

andyt wrote:

pretty harmless people.

Harmless.

I'm going to buy myself a pair of boots just like those! Just ask any cop, high top combats are the cats ass when you're out provoking riots.

You do realise how easy it is to get boots that look like that right? Fuck 80% of the people I work with have them.

[andyt]

So with all this infiltration info, how come the cops were totally unprepared when some black blockheads did run riot? Since the cop and only one protester put together the list of where mischief might take place, where were the cops on the day?