[RUEZ]

Well there's been another instance of a possible fugitive headed to Canada, and again the border agents have abandoned their posts for safety reasons. Here.
Now I don't want to be to judgemental, afterall these border agents are unarmed. But guess who takes over after these public servants run like the wind? Thier equally unarmed management. So apperantly the management of Canada Customs is filled with some pretty brave folks. I watched a bit about it on the BC news and they said that even after they are armed in the next ten years they will still have the option of running away at the first sign of danger. Maybe it's time we just put the RCMP at the border. I understand people not wanting to be in harms way but if you can't do the job it's time they were replaced with someone who can. The news also said that they suspect that the criminal did make it into Canada. Maybe the Americans are right and they need to take a better look at how our borders are protected.

[SireJoe]

I tell you what though, if they do get guns and get the proper compensation for putting thier lives on the line if something arose again, there should be no way in hell they can just get up and leave in the event something come up again. Thats bullshit. If they have the training and the weaponry to stop those people from coming into Canada, then they should in no way be able to just boot it.

If that is how it goes down, there should be some serious changes at the border. I'd prefer Canada not to look like a pussy THAT often.

[RUEZ]

SireJoe wrote:

I tell you what though, if they do get guns and get the proper compensation for putting thier lives on the line if something arose again, there should be no way in hell they can just get up and leave in the event something come up again. Thats bullshit. If they have the training and the weaponry to stop those people from coming into Canada, then they should in no way be able to just boot it.

If that is how it goes down, there should be some serious changes at the border. I'd prefer Canada not to look like a pussy THAT often.

I totally agree.

[twister]

ya great.. rather than Rcmp.. I iWOULD LIKE TO SEE CANADIAN FORCES AT OUR BORDER POINTS... NOTHING LIKE COMING HOME AND BEING STOPPED BY THE MEN AND WOMEN IN GREEN... THEY COULD BE POSITIONED IN A WAY THEY COULD PROTECT THE CUSTOMS OFFICERS AND STOP ARMED INFILTRATIONS INTO OUR COUNTRY.
1-2 COYOTES AT EVERY MAJOR CUSTOMS CHECK POINT A CONTINGENT OF 6 AT EVERY MAJOR BORDER POINT OF ENTRY 3 OR 4 AT THE MINOR ONES.

They could use reservists rather than reg forces. Customs guys say get out of the car.. having six guys marshalled with C-7's and a Fully Functional Coyote standing by at a major check point.. ya I think you ought to listen to the border guard.

[twister]

Though I really feel for their struggle.. They all wear vests carry pepper spray. Should they be armed with proper training.. hell ya. but until that time Canadian forces on the ready at the border crossings... to support them so they wouldn't feel the need to scurry away.

[twister]

Kinda like when they started training RCMP officers at depot you could opt out of dangerous situations. as one Cpl said to a new recruit when that recruit opted out of a domestic.. Then.....(so and so) GLW Can You go back to the car, radio in Back up for me, then direct them up to where I am, when the "REAL POLICE" show up... FUCK....

You were hired to do a job.. do your job to the best of your abilities....

[Hardy]

The only thing I find bewildering is that the government has promised a 10-year program to arm and train them.

10 years, eh? I'm sure that they could all be trained in 6 months. Why take 20 times that long?

[RUEZ]

Hardy wrote:

The only thing I find bewildering is that the government has promised a 10-year program to arm and train them.

10 years, eh? I'm sure that they could all be trained in 6 months. Why take 20 times that long?

That is strange, as many people that man the borders, they probably train that many or more at the RCMP training depot every year.

[bossdog]

I like the military idea as a contigency plan. A QRF of sorts. They don't even need to be at the border crossings but be ready to move as soon as someting starts to go down. We used to have a team on stand-by in Kingston just in case the prisons got out of control. That's long gone now but I think it was a great idea.

[ridenrain]

I hope that 10 years is to screen out the morons. I'm across that border quite a bit and some of the BC guards are total fools.
Even if they get guns, I doubt there will be any difference. This is more of a bitchy, wimpy union problem than an actual threat.

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This also circled around the Anacortes Oyster run which is a total goat rodeo for the cruiser motorcycle crowd. I went a couple of years ago and it was one huge crowded parking lot. Don't bother and go next weekend.

[HyperionTheEvil]

The idea of our militray at our border crossings isnt such a bad idea. It's certainly a better idea than border guards who wont guard the border. And if they have Coyotes and c-7's and c-9's it would certaibly be a better deterrent to possible threats than the current system where border guards can walk away from thier duties to protect Canada.

then if neccesary the goernment can fire the border guards and use th emoney in turn to train new service people.

[ridenrain]

Nope. Soldiers are not border guards or policemen. All of the good things that they can do a is a distraction from what they need to be able to do.
These guards are a national issue and, from what I hear, this is the only province that has this problem, If some of these union folks don't want to do their job, fire them and hire folks who will.
The border is an essential service.

[HyperionTheEvil]

ridenrain wrote:

Nope. Soldiers are not border guards or policemen. All of the good things that they can do a is a distraction from what they need to be able to do.
These guards are a national issue and, from what I hear, this is the only province that has this problem, If some of these union folks don't want to do their job, fire them and hire folks who will.
The border is an essential service.

Good point, and i agree with you on the union issue. A caveat to that is that there should be bettre security training and extensive weapons traning. If the Union in this case is either unwilling or unable to maeet the requirement of national security then your correct, the government should find people who are willing and able to do so.

Our militray has no 'union' and does not require it. I find digusting that these people can just walk away from their jobs to protect Canadians because the 'conditions' dont meet their requirements. Perhaps what is needed is to remove the union status of the border guards. Or better yet, declare border guards to be a permenant 'essential service' so that walking away or going on strike and abandoning thier posts would be illegal and grounds for termination

[THELONECANADAIN]

Bull shit they need to stay and defend canada with hockey sticks man are border guards suck ass

[QBC]

People keep calling them border guards, when really they're just customs officers. Basically that means they're there to make sure you pay duty on that bulk pack of underwear you bought in the states, not "defend" anything. Trainem and arm them and then you can bitch if they bugger off from their post.