[VitaminC]

When a black kid yells teachers probably feel more threatened than when a white kid yells....

[hamiltonguyo]

I just noticed the MoE has a whole section on "Instilling Respect, Civility, and Responsibility"

I think this is nuts

Respect is earned not forced upon us

If the MoE wants us to respect them they should respect us

Civility, all they mean by it is what a teacher says is the absolute truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and questioning a teacher is a heinous crime (luckily my school is very open compared to other schools in this area where questioning a teacher will land one with at least a one day suspension)

and Responsibility

They have a responsibilty to respect our human rights and when the respect them we will be responsible

In the mean time I think a student stike and protest is a good way of taking these tyrrants of their throne... DOWN WITH THE SAFE SCHOOLS ACT, F U THE MOE

[hamiltonguyo]

VitaminC wrote:

When a black kid yells teachers probably feel more threatened than when a white kid yells....

so now teachers are racist

you should be the next MoE so you can sell all us kids on your shit.

[VitaminC]

I pretty much agree with most of the stuff you posted.....about suspension/expulsion for drugs/violence, etc....

But ordering a student to submit to a search by threatening to expel them would not hold up......If it happened and someone went to the media about it, that would be the end of it.....

And I think that a good defence lawyer could make a case that teachers are acting as agents of the state when doing a lot of the stuff.....

Once they are considered agents of the state, they would be unable to do any of those things.....We have the right to a trial before we are punished by an agent of the state for something they accuse us of....

Who came up with this law anyway? Mike Harris?

[Rev_Blair]

It wouldn't be trivialized, Banff...no matter what the sentence. Some crimes always produce outrage.

What does get trivialized is the complexity of our legal system because stories like this are routinely used to further a political agenda. Look at the original story, how little real information there is there. There are a few vague references, but that's it.

I vaguely remember some of the details that have been coming out in the two years since the crime was committed, but not many and not clearly. I also know that CJOB practices a type of yellow journalism that should have been made happily extinct in the 19th century. Most here don't know those things though because it's been a local story and they've never been stuck in a car with only an AM radio in Winnipeg.

[hamiltonguyo]

during his reign, there is stuff I like but the problem is nobody goes to the media because they don't have a choice. My friend was nearly expelled once...he used the time while the principal was considering an expulsion(he was suspended for 3 days until the Principal decided his fate) to make a very long and convincing arguement from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and The Charter of Rights and Freedoms and threatened to go public with this, and the principal caved. Do you really think most people are smart enough to do this?

[Banff]

REV_ BLAIR ; needless to say though isn't it common for certain crimes to be singled out for reasons of impact statements .....poiticians are the aftermath kind of like backalley garbage pickers ( public stirs up politicians (agents of the state ,"quote-unquote") not the reverse)

[jazzman]

Man, it makes you wonder why people like that bitch decides to have kids if their just going to kill them anyway.

[ShepherdsDog]

Too often these pregnancies begin when the mother too pissed to know what is going on and she often continues to drink during the pregnancy. When I was teaching in northern Manitoba 60 % of the students were suffering with varying degrees of FAS. The ones that had normal cognitive abilities were the children of Hydro employees, the owners of the local fishing lodge, the RCMP, the teachers and the nurses. Matters are further complicated when you have those with FAS giving birth to children with FAS. While this problem isn't limited to aborignal communities, the overwhelming cases of it are.

[2Cdo]

VitC in regards to your posts on searching a person, you are right the fuck out of 'er! Police do NOT need a warrant if there is probable cause ie. smoke billowing out of the 70's Vandura! Police do not have to be in fear of their life before searching a suspect, just probable cause. In Kingston here there have been dozens of cases of police searching a suspect for probable cause in the middle of the night (hard to get a search warrant at that time) and anything they found was admissable in a court of law!
Please quit posting information that at best is incomplete, at worst is completely wrong, and might just get some person in more trouble than they need.

"But officer my buddy on the internet said you can't search me without a warrant." Damn, now he's under arrest for whatever the original crime was plus resisting arrest and guaranteed a night in the cooler! The police might have even let them off with a warning but due to a dummys advice they go to jail!

[Donny_Brasco]

hamiltonguyo wrote:

The government website also states that there is a quota for how many of each race may be given suspensions and expulsions, in fact the policy is to increase white suspensions and decrease black suspensions until they are proportional to the number of students because apparently its racist if justice applied blindly finds a higher percentage of black offenders than white offenders.

Your post makes no sense.

If we are all equal (I'm assuming you agree we are)

and justice is applied blindly

then the number of expulsions for black/white/red/yellow would be in proportion to their population in a given school.

If the numbers are not the same then either

a) we are not all equal

or

b) justice is not being applied blindly.

If you advocate for answer "A" then you are a racist, because that is the definition (inequality due to race).

If you advocate for "B" then the soloution is to correct the injustice.

(thought I'd bite at that one since no one else seems to want to)

And no personal attacks in your reply please (not that you would).

[hamiltonguyo]

I believe every human being is born with equal rights(
there is no scientifically acceptable argument that all human beings are physically equal) no matter what their race, gender or religion. Unfourtunately many groups generally are subject to environments in the home that are worse which cause criminal and physcological problems among many peoples of these groups. Unfourtunately what we have here is a Human rights commission that instead of addressing the root of the problem tells principals to not suspend or expel students of a certain disadvantaged group as much, and to instead expel and suspend more of an advantaged group without regards to how many problems from each group. This is bunk.

The correct approach takes time and money and is much harder than masking it up with quotas and these misguided commissions. The correct appraoch is to help the disadvantaged group be better families and live better lives..