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bulldawg
Junior Member
Posts: 47
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:25 pm
i would be interested in any thoughts for or against the planned ban on 'pit bulls' in ontario.
i have strong views on this subject since i have been involved with the breed for a long time now, however, i do strongly feel that a type beed ban would only open the door for other provinces to follow, and then to what end ?
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Twila
Forum Junkie
Posts: 658
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:05 am
I'd personally like to see a ban on all breeds of dogs. I'd like for a person to have to take a written test to prove their understanding of the breed of dog for which they are interested in obtaining.
But that's just my opinion.
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Posts: 19851
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:53 am
Twila wrote: I'd personally like to see a ban on all breeds of dogs. I'd like for a person to have to take a written test to prove their understanding of the breed of dog for which they are interested in obtaining.
But that's just my opinion.
I have a cheasepeek bay retreiver, right now... whatta sweety... I had to put that in...
I agree/disagree... Just certain breeds would be worth it. Specially if you have young children...
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:47 pm
Whaddya do with guys like me though, Twila. My dogs' breeds are determined mainly by clues and guess-work. Do I have to take all the tests?
I do think there should be a test though...a one-time license issue by the federal government that can be pulled for violations.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:23 pm
Try DNA testing?? lol
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Twila
Forum Junkie
Posts: 658
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:08 am
Quote: Whaddya do with guys like me though, Twila. My dogs' breeds are determined mainly by clues and guess-work. Do I have to take all the tests?
I'd like to see testing on humans, licenses issued on the humans ability to understand a dog's needs, issues, etc . Not licensed based on breed. Course I'm a tad on the anthropic side having had dealings with animal owners....or as I call them "People Who Like To Accessorize with Animals" or PWLAA for short.
I have no problems with any breed of dog. My favourite breed are Staffies. I've never had a vicious dog or a dog that bites. I've never been biten viciously by a dog, cat, rat, guinea pig, etc. We've had multiple "pit bulls" The worse thing they'd do is lick you. We called them watch dogs. They'd watch you break in and watch you leave with our valuables. All the while hiding under the coffee table. They are not a "mean" breed. They are a specialized breed. Meant to offer companionship and protection to their people. Not property. Too many people miss understand the dogs need to be with its people. IT's desire to please its people. Desire to do the "right" thing as assigned by it's people.
Well actually I was once almost bitten by my sisters rabbit. But the damn thing was mean. Monty Python's killer rabbits isn't as far fetched as everybody assumes.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:19 pm
I don't have any dogs that would bite. Emma will snap if you pet her behind the shoulders, but that's far different than chasing somebody down or attacking. It's because she was abused as a puppy.
They did bite Zenfisher once though. Zeke and Emma got in a fight so he stuck his bare foot in between them.  He wasn't laughing, of course, but I am. 
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sportychic
Newbie
Posts: 6
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:03 am
If pit bulls get banned because they are a "vicious" breed, where is it going to stop? Next it will be rotweillers, then german sheppards etc.., banning pit bulls will not stop dog attacks on people because all types of dogs are capable of attacking someone if they are raised the wrong way.
They have to look at the owners, not just the breed. It is not fair to single out one specific breed and expect the problem to go away.
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Ontario_Born
Active Member
Posts: 259
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:59 am
I think we need to put the onus on the owners. I see nothing wrong with the breed, but the owners must realize that there is a higher risk of aggression in Pit bulls. If we punished the owners, and not the dog, every time there is an attack, then perhaps other pit bull owners would be more willing to use muzzles and etcetera as a means of preventing injury.
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Posts: 1746
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:33 pm
If you have a dog that can be considered dangerous, or any pet for that matter, it is the owners responsibility. i agree with the policy of 'applying' for ownership of certain breeds. Most owners of pit bulls do not get those dogs because they are cute, they get them for protection or because of the dog's reputation. Often any dog that bites people is mistreated. In the end no matter how you look at it, it is the owners fault if the dog bites a person.
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DMP08
Forum Elite
Posts: 1130
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:00 am
I think it is true that it is mainly the owners fault. We have a German Shepherd and 2 great danes (HUGE!) and they are the kindest animals. Example, the great danes have teddy bears that they carry around really softly in their mouths, barely enough to hold them. No violence. They lean on you and snuggle. They will love anyone they know. But, when someone comes up to the fence of the yard, they make a ruckus. Never tried to bite anyone, but have barked and growled.
Now, if we had raised the dogs differently, like some people do by keeping the dog on a chain and such like that, they may go out looking for trouble. It is the owner. Our family friends had a pit bull before and it was so kind and gentle. Its all how they are raised. You can't put down a blanket rule to cover an entire breed.
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rcnsailor
Junior Member
Posts: 33
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:07 am
With this new law, who is the person responsible to prove whether the dog is in fact a pit bull and who pays for this bit of stupidity. DNA tests?
btw I have a purebred german rotty that weighs 170lbs and is just a big teddy bear and has never bitten anyone in the 10 years hes been alive.
sailor
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UnionJack67
Newbie
Posts: 15
Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:24 am
IF they ban pitbulls, People who already own them should be allowed to keep them. No one should have to give up their companion.
Pits are being breed to abundantly and there are more pits than people who want them. "raising" pits is ignorant and cruel. By having litters of these dogs, you're dooming many of them to death in a shelter.
I have a pit... I've had her for 4 years. She's very well mannered and my best friend.. but she has been spayed and I would never have another.
Banning breeds holds mixed feelings for me. Part of me understand due to ignorance of so many owners and thier lack of ability to be responsible.
The other part of me becomes offended that the government wants to step in and regulate another part of my life.
That's my 2 cents.
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UnionJack67
Newbie
Posts: 15
Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:31 am
dgthe3 wrote: i agree with the policy of 'applying' for ownership of certain breeds. Most owners of pit bulls do not get those dogs because they are cute, they get them for protection or because of the dog's reputation.
Applying for ownership is a great idea and making people take classes to better understand how to handle these animals is even better....
As for pitpulls being good protection... you really don't know much about the breed do you? These animals are people oriented... They thrive off attention. They are predators, but not of people.
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Mukluk
Forum Junkie
Posts: 719
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:56 pm
I want to have a wolf as a pet. And a tiger. Fuck my neighbors and their kids if they think they're "dangerous". They are cuddly, and have never bit anyone.
Give me a break. There is no reason to own a pitbull as a pet given their known aggressive nature towards people.
People in the US are starting to go to prison for dog attacks, but that's a little too late. People always say "oh, they would just never bite anyone, they're so kind and cuddly, a real teddy bear". Then you see them on the 6:00 news weeping and saying "I don't know what came over him, he's never done that before".
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