[Donny_Brasco]

Doesn't take long to open your eyes and find what your looking for...or to close your and miss what you don't want to see.

[ridenrain]

Can you believe the insult..

[Bacardi4206]

Ok first of all, this is directed at Donny_Brasco and nobody else. To avoid confusion. I am responding to all his quotes, and diddn't bother using the quote function so it would take up less space. Anyways to the point.

"'No religion teaches violence." Incorrect, here are some violence related phrases of the Quran.

'And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. (Sura 17:16)'

'"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" (Bukhari 84:57)'

Though in all fairness, you can see simularities in other bibles. Such as this one.

"This day the LORD will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down, and cut off your head; and I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, Then David ran and stood over the Philistine, and took his sword and drew it out of its sheath, and killed him, and cut off his head with it.... And David took the head of the Philistine and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armor in his tent. And as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him, and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand. (1 Samuel 17:46 "

I rest my point, I can list many more examples of violence in religious bibles but what's the point when "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" (Bukhari 84:57)' pretty much sums everything up. Infact I could just post that, and be done with this whole conversation.

Infact in the Quran, anybody who does not believe in there religion is considered a infidel and should be killed. Not the exact phrases, but that's what is said in there bible and that is how its translated by the majority if not all Muslim People.

As for the India quote, that's great that India thought it was horrible and wants to fight terrorism. However the Indian Government does not speak for the majority of Muslims around the world, neither does it even speak for the muslims in there own country. Also is India current fighting the war of Terror? From what I know, India doesn't got troops in Afghanistan trying to fight the terrorists and stabalize Afghanistan although you can correct me on that if I am wrong.

As for the next quote, whos victimizing Muslims? The video cleary stated that not all Muslims were terrorists, neither did all Muslims support Terrorism but they do not step up and protest it, or do there best to get rid of it. Terrorism is widely ignored, which a example of is current day Pakistan. Pakistan has so many terrorists in there midsts, they got terrorist camps, operations and training in there country. Which is a stating point, and recruitment center for a lot of the fighters current fighting NATO in Afghanistan. They slip through the border because there is a major lack of border security between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Pakistan Government isn't putting much of a effort to stop these recruitment situations in there own country, let alone much of a effort to stop them from going over the border to aid the Afghan Insurgency and Terrorists.

As for the next quote, I really think you need to re-watch the video and re-read my post. Nobody said anything about Muslims not caring about it, or sympathizing about it. The point of it was that they wern't taking any action against it. While muslims all over the world were mass protesting over a cartoon of there profet. They simply couldn't do the same against the horrible acts being commited in the name of there religion. They simply just don't take any action against it, and ignore it like it has nothing to do with them.

I am glad a lot of Iran Civilians showed sympathy for 9/11, but what I would rather them do is protest the actions of those that did 9/11 in the same numbers that they were showing sympathy for, and do the same for all the terrorists around the world that commit horribly acts of violence in the name of Islam.

[sandorski]

bs!

[commanderkai]

sandorski wrote:

bs!

That is the greatest rebuttal I've ever seen! That changes my mind!

[sandorski]

commanderkai wrote:

sandorski wrote:

bs!

That is the greatest rebuttal I've ever seen! That changes my mind!

Glad I could help.

[Donny_Brasco]

BartSimpson wrote:

All sorts of atrocities happen in the name of islam and we're hard pressed to find a recognized muslim leader to condemn these things.

A) that is what I was responding to. I didn't listen or watch the video.

B) Terrorists are not trying to blow you up because of your religion. The only time religion is involved is when the guy paying for the guns says it is. It is only about religion when people are stupid enough to beleive that it is.

C) There are more Muslims in the world who condem terrorist attacks against you then there are Westereners who give a rats ass about the conditions we subject these people to through our laws and policies and wars.

Quote:

D) And I'll use the quote function anytime I want

[romanP]

Bacardi4206 wrote:

Ok first of all, this is directed at Donny_Brasco and nobody else. To avoid confusion. I am responding to all his quotes, and diddn't bother using the quote function so it would take up less space. Anyways to the point.

"'No religion teaches violence." Incorrect, here are some violence related phrases of the Quran.

Not at all counterbalanced with the violence of the Christian bible, of course.

[Bacardi4206]

romanP wrote:

Bacardi4206 wrote:

Ok first of all, this is directed at Donny_Brasco and nobody else. To avoid confusion. I am responding to all his quotes, and diddn't bother using the quote function so it would take up less space. Anyways to the point.

"'No religion teaches violence." Incorrect, here are some violence related phrases of the Quran.

Not at all counterbalanced with the violence of the Christian bible, of course.

I listed a example of violence in the Christian Bible, I said "In all fairness, you can see simular violence in other bibles" and listed a phrase out of the Christian Bible.

[canuckns]

I got to agree. That radio host was right on the money.

[kenmore]

Well said ,, well done talk show host.. God Bless you!

[commanderkai]

sandorski wrote:

commanderkai wrote:

sandorski wrote:

bs!

That is the greatest rebuttal I've ever seen! That changes my mind!

Glad I could help.

Seriously, don't say bs, prove it. Christ, at least all the 9-11 conspiracies that have been placed on this site have been ruthlessly crushed by numerous members over and over, you can do your part if you truly think it's bs

[Bacardi4206]

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[BartSimpson]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

A) that is what I was responding to. I didn't listen or watch the video.

B) Terrorists are not trying to blow you up because of your religion. The only time religion is involved is when the guy paying for the guns says it is. It is only about religion when people are stupid enough to beleive that it is.

How ignorant can you be? You're seriously going to tell me that the islamic terror attacks of the last twenty years were all secular in nature?

Donny_Brasco wrote:

C) There are more Muslims in the world who condem terrorist attacks against you then there are Westereners who give a rats ass about the conditions we subject these people to through our laws and policies and wars.

In this you are correct but you are wrong in your context. Terror is being denounced by a lot of muslims anymore because they don't want to have the US military as guests in their nations if they are found out as the source of the terror attacks.