[fatbasturd]

I love christmas trees santa elves presents christ himself....please if you are non christian feel free to move next door to me so i can expose you to some good old Canadian traditions.


T.O. judge orders Christmas tree out of lobby
Updated Thu. Dec. 14 2006 3:19 PM ET

toronto.ctv.ca

A Toronto judge has ordered a Christmas tree out of a downtown provincial courthouse lobby, saying it's not an appropriate symbol to non-Christians.

The move by Justice Marion Cohen has upset staff, some of whom call the decision stupid and insulting.

Cohen says she understands the small tree has stood in the lobby at 311 Jarvis St. for years during the Christmas season, but in a letter to employees says non-Christians are "confronted" with the artificial decoration, which makes them feel "they are not part of this institution.''

The judge said it's inappropriate that a Christian symbol is the first thing visitors see when they enter the building.

A number of Christmas trees are on full display inside other public institutions, including at the Ontario legislature, Toronto City Hall and at Nathan Phillips Square. There are also trees inside the Old City Hall courts.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty on Thursday slammed the judge's order.

"I think that's unfortunate,'' McGuinty said. "I think it represents a misunderstanding of what we are working so hard to build here in Ontario.'

"We enjoy the wonderful privilege of building a pluralistic and multicultural society.''

The premier said it's unfair to ask people to abandon their traditions, and noted it's important for everybody to learn about and share in each other's celebrations.

"At Queen's Park we celebrated Diwali a few weeks ago, as well at Queen's Park we celebrated Eid. Next week I believe I'm participating in a lighting of the menorah celebration,'' McGuinty said.

"What we're saying is, let's share in those opportunities, let's better understand those celebrations.''

Staff at the Jarvis Street courthouse were unwilling to comment on camera, but told CTV's Janice Golding they are disheartened. One man, who said the tree has been a Christmas tradition for decades, was infuriated when he learned of the decision.

Lawyers who work in the building were also upset and couldn't understand the reasoning.

"There's no reason why a Christmas tree can't be put wherever people want it to be. It's by no means an offense, I believe, to any religion," said one counsellor.

"I don't know that it falls upon judges to make decisions of that sort anymore than upon any other member of the public," added another.

The attorney general's office says there is no court or ministry policy that addresses this particular situation.

Cohen would not comment on camera.

The tree has been moved to an administrative corridor off to the side.

The story has triggered a flurry of angry responses from CTV viewers and readers.

Another Christmas incident in 2002 sparked backlash from the public when city hall officials put out a news release calling its giant tree at Nathan Phillips Square a "holiday tree."

Then-mayor Mel Lastman, who is Jewish, ordered staff to call it a Christmas tree. He then introduced a bylaw that prohibits the tree from being given any other name.

With a report from CTV's Janice Golding and files from The Canadian Press

[Bodah]

I can guarantee you this isn't non-whites doing the complaining, its the tree hugging, late sucking, ndp voting Joe White atheist thats doing the bitching.

[fatbasturd]

I could give a rats ass who it is what color they are or if they believe in Santa or not. It;s my GD right to believe in the traditoin of Christmas and the non believers can kiss me fat Santa believing arse.
ps I have even been know to shit yule logs at this time of the year

[Bodah]

fatbasturd wrote:

I could give a rats ass who it is what color they are or if they believe in Santa or not. It;s my GD right to believe in the traditoin of Christmas and the non believers can kiss me fat Santa believing arse.
ps I have even been know to shit yule logs at this time of the year

I agree with you, but I have yet to meet a non-Christian who aren't white, that have a problem with x-mas, which leads me to believe what I've mentioned above.

And I betcha these morons get presents on the 25th and accept them

[fatbasturd]

I have been on PEI for the last 15 years...I have lost exposure to all races on a daily basis except whites in that time.
I know of one Middle eastern family and about three black families in my town and they all put up a ho ho tree
Even the local Chinese buffet place has a tree up in the lobby.

[Clogeroo]

Quote:

but I have yet to meet a non-Christian who aren't white

There is a Chinese Christian church just a block away from here. The older Chinese immigrants here are usually more Christian than the new ones.

[Banff]

Who are these people making a fuss and why are we being attacked by menorah preferances and Christmas tree conspiracys . Cohen is nuts its public property

[xerxes]

What a maroon.

[MaelstromRider]

Bodah wrote:

fatbasturd wrote:

I could give a rats ass who it is what color they are or if they believe in Santa or not. It;s my GD right to believe in the traditoin of Christmas and the non believers can kiss me fat Santa believing arse.
ps I have even been know to shit yule logs at this time of the year

I agree with you, but I have yet to meet a non-Christian who aren't white, that have a problem with x-mas, which leads me to believe what I've mentioned above.

And I betcha these morons get presents on the 25th and accept them

I'm a white non-Christian athiest.

I love Xmas. Santa is my favorite super-hero. After that comes Jesus and Batman.

[fatbasturd]

MaelstromRider wrote:

Bodah wrote:

fatbasturd wrote:

I could give a rats ass who it is what color they are or if they believe in Santa or not. It;s my GD right to believe in the traditoin of Christmas and the non believers can kiss me fat Santa believing arse.
ps I have even been know to shit yule logs at this time of the year

I agree with you, but I have yet to meet a non-Christian who aren't white, that have a problem with x-mas, which leads me to believe what I've mentioned above.

And I betcha these morons get presents on the 25th and accept them

I'm a white non-Christian athiest.

I love Xmas. Santa is my favorite super-hero. After that comes Jesus and Batman.

So you are not offended by a traditioanl Canadian christmas then....right?

[MaelstromRider]

Not at all...

In my estimation, the only people who have any cause to be offended by the way we mark Xmas are Christians who are having thier holy day co-opted.

[hwacker]

Thanks Liberals, great country you've built.

[Tricks]

Bodah wrote:

I can guarantee you this isn't non-whites doing the complaining, its the tree hugging, late sucking, ndp voting Joe White atheist thats doing the bitching.

Don't even try to pull this as an Atheist thing. It has nothing to do with it. I am an atheist, and love christmas. I don't even think of Christmas as a religious holiday anymore.

[Mr_Canada old]

fatbasturd wrote:

MaelstromRider wrote:

I'm a white non-Christian athiest.

I love Xmas. Santa is my favorite super-hero. After that comes Jesus and Batman.

So you are not offended by a traditioanl Canadian christmas then....right?

I'm also a White non-Christian Athiest, with Christian blood though.

I'm not offended by religions at all though, so I'd actually support putting a Christmas tree back UP in this lobby.

Same Tricks. Exactly the same.

I view Christmas as a simple peice of great Canadian Culture. Not Christianity at all. If your offended by it, don't drag it around, and get over it, it's not like the Christmas Tree is out to get you in your sleep. (watch out for Santa's reindeer though, grandmother populations get surprisingly low at Christmas time, )

I must agree with some of the Liberal bashing though. Fuck the judge. He's an idiot. Some Libs get really stupid with religions. I just dropped it, but not refusing it compeltely.

But don't fucking say that all Liberals are Anti-Christmas. Maybe a few idiots, but not all. Blaming the bad eggs on the entire group much?

[hwacker]

Mr_Canada wrote:

fatbasturd wrote:

MaelstromRider wrote:

I'm a white non-Christian athiest.

I love Xmas. Santa is my favorite super-hero. After that comes Jesus and Batman.

So you are not offended by a traditioanl Canadian christmas then....right?

I'm also a White non-Christian Athiest, with Christian blood though.

I'm not offended by religions at all though, so I'd actually support putting a Christmas tree back UP in this lobby.

Same Tricks. Exactly the same.

I view Christmas as a simple peice of great Canadian Culture. Not Christianity at all. If your offended by it, don't drag it around, and get over it, it's not like the Christmas Tree is out to get you in your sleep. (watch out for Santa's reindeer though, grandmother populations get surprisingly low at Christmas time, )

I must agree with some of the Liberal bashing though. Fuck the judge. He's an idiot. Some Libs get really stupid with religions. I just dropped it, but not refusing it compeltely.

But don't fucking say that all Liberals are Anti-Christmas. Maybe a few idiots, but not all. Blaming the bad eggs on the entire group much?

Don't have to be all Liberals just has to be one.


You don't see others doing this kinda shit. Just Liberals. So it sticks to them and good reason for it.