[BartSimpson]

ShintoMale wrote:

The Japanese are not sexually repressed like the Americans

The Japanese sexuality is a response to so much other repression in their culture. And even the extreme sexuality is tightly controlled after a fashion.

So, no, Japanese are not sexually repressed like Americans but they are sexually repressed in a completely different way.

[Guy_Fawkes]

BartSimpson wrote:

ShintoMale wrote:

The Japanese are not sexually repressed like the Americans

The Japanese sexuality is a response to so much other repression in their culture. And even the extreme sexuality is tightly controlled after a fashion.

So, no, Japanese are not sexually repressed like Americans but they are sexually repressed in a completely different way.

I have always wondered why cocks are blurred out in Japanese porn.

[Scape]

BartSimpson wrote:

Titan:AE was really not that great a movie. The animation was okay, but not spectacular, and the story was a little unimaginative. Honestly, it was mediocre sci-fi and it debuted in a time when fabulous Canadian-produced sci-fi has become the norm.
Final Fantasy MCCMXVII failed because it held almost no appeal to the non-fanboy crowd. It's just too esoteric. Granted, the animation was spectacular, but the story...not so much.

Two valid points. AE and FF had huge production investments and they had soundtracks, marketing and talent yet they were still borne. The reason for that was the target was not kids, not that the product was so substandard. If they put the same budget into a flick and made it a certified Disney toon it would have been a license to print money. The result is innovation stagnates because the real money is to break out into adult audiences and that is a fire that has yet to lit here so it goes into production of the next CSI. Yet it is animation that is the best medium for story telling but with such setbacks as common course to the compare that to BSG/SG/X-Files that come from Canada as live action you can understand why they have such a hard time making a pitch to the execs.

[herbie]

Japanimation is low art.

[Mustang1]

Scape wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

Titan:AE was really not that great a movie. The animation was okay, but not spectacular, and the story was a little unimaginative. Honestly, it was mediocre sci-fi and it debuted in a time when fabulous Canadian-produced sci-fi has become the norm.
Final Fantasy MCCMXVII failed because it held almost no appeal to the non-fanboy crowd. It's just too esoteric. Granted, the animation was spectacular, but the story...not so much.

Two valid points. AE and FF had huge production investments and they had soundtracks, marketing and talent yet they were still borne. The reason for that was the target was not kids, not that the product was so substandard. If they put the same budget into a flick and made it a certified Disney toon it would have been a license to print money. The result is innovation stagnates because the real money is to break out into adult audiences and that is a fire that has yet to lit here so it goes into production of the next CSI. Yet it is animation that is the best medium for story telling but with such setbacks as common course to the compare that to BSG/SG/X-Files that come from Canada as live action you can understand why they have such a hard time making a pitch to the execs.

Uh...not exactly true. The REAL money is marketing to kids AND their parents - look at Disney and Pixar (well...same thing now).

And animation isn't the best medium for storytelling. This flies in the face of live-action cinematic masterpieces, books, graphic novels, etc. The reality is that NA movies are just fine in terms of quality, story, production and acting. There are massive stinkers, true, and too often corporate stupidity gets in the way, but overall, this particular medium was pioneered by NA and is, quite frankly, still a world leader and innovator.

[Guy_Fawkes]

herbie wrote:

Japanimation is low art.

Where have you been for the last 30 years?

[Bodah]

We need more films like A Scanner Darkly.

[Scape]

Mustang1 wrote:

Scape wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

Titan:AE was really not that great a movie. The animation was okay, but not spectacular, and the story was a little unimaginative. Honestly, it was mediocre sci-fi and it debuted in a time when fabulous Canadian-produced sci-fi has become the norm.
Final Fantasy MCCMXVII failed because it held almost no appeal to the non-fanboy crowd. It's just too esoteric. Granted, the animation was spectacular, but the story...not so much.

Two valid points. AE and FF had huge production investments and they had soundtracks, marketing and talent yet they were still borne. The reason for that was the target was not kids, not that the product was so substandard. If they put the same budget into a flick and made it a certified Disney toon it would have been a license to print money. The result is innovation stagnates because the real money is to break out into adult audiences and that is a fire that has yet to lit here so it goes into production of the next CSI. Yet it is animation that is the best medium for story telling but with such setbacks as common course to the compare that to BSG/SG/X-Files that come from Canada as live action you can understand why they have such a hard time making a pitch to the execs.

Uh...not exactly true. The REAL money is marketing to kids AND their parents - look at Disney and Pixar (well...same thing now).

Shrek is a fine example of that and I am not saying that isn't a mine worth prospecting but that animations forte hasn't really expanded much beyond that and made as big of a splash.

Mustang1 wrote:

And animation isn't the best medium for storytelling. This flies in the face of live-action cinematic masterpieces, books, graphic novels, etc. The reality is that NA movies are just fine in terms of quality, story, production and acting. There are massive stinkers, true, and too often corporate stupidity gets in the way, but overall, this particular medium was pioneered by NA and is, quite frankly, still a world leader and innovator.

It is an innovator but animation seems to be shunned as some idiot stepchild. The potential to take the medium to the next level without mind-blowing cost over runs is animations ace in the hole, yet it seems the medium gravitates towards daytime soap drams instead. That's my crux.

[Mustang1]

Scape wrote:

Shrek is a fine example of that and I am not saying that isn't a mine worth prospecting but that animations forte hasn't really expanded much beyond that and made as big of a splash.

Wall-E.

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It is an innovator but animation seems to be shunned as some idiot stepchild. The potential to take the medium to the next level without mind-blowing cost over runs is animations ace in the hole, yet it seems the medium gravitates towards daytime soap drams instead. That's my crux.

Agree, but many animated works (from Wall-E to Up to Coraline) have achieved financial success and critical accolades. Many also tackle sophisticated narratives (Persepolis or Waltz With Bashir). Some stink, granted, but there are some bright spots in the medium.

[Scape]

Don't forget UP, but again the target is kids with adults as gravy. Excellent films no doubt just a serious lack of fair for anyone beyond the age of 14+ regardless if the stink or not.

[commanderkai]

Scape wrote:

Don't forget UP, but again the target is kids with adults as gravy. Excellent films no doubt just a serious lack of fair for anyone beyond the age of 14+ regardless if the stink or not.

I guess. I just think Pixar commonly adds humor into its movies that adults can enjoy. Hoodwinked, also is a great animated movie for its story and comedy, even if the animation itself is subpar.

If you're talking about television cartoon content, then yes, I'd agree that animation is pretty weak.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Well I dunno why the big screen isn't doing so good. BUT even in Canada, there's been some great animated Canadian shows, or US shows that are done by Canadians. South Park and Ren&Stimpy to name two. The small screen just seems to have more to offer. Son's of Butcher, Metalocolypse(sp) Home Movies, Undergrads(I think that's what it was called) are all pretty darn good Canadian animation productions. As a matter of fact, Home Movies was developed and written by a 14 year old Brendon Small, including all the original music. He is now one of the main people behind Metalocolypse(sp). However, of the ones I listed, I think Son's of Butcher would be the only adult oriented one that would have much of a chance on the big screen.

[ridenrain]

Looks like Avitar is a good reason to bump this thread.