[RUEZ]

andyt wrote:

I know I'm late to the party, but I don't read any trolling in Pagan's posts, unless they've been edited or censored? What I read him to say is that even priests who abuse kids should be removed from society - ie people we hold in high regard should not get any special consideration. I didn't read him to say that all priest are abusers.

Really? You don't think this, even though it has nothing to do with the article isn't trolling?

Quote:

The preists of ALL religious denominations(cults)and all over the age of 16 have to start getting labelled as child rapists and removed from society as a whole.

[andyt]

So he edited his post?

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't mean that all priests of all religions are child rapists. That it was just poor writing and he only meant those that do rape/abuse children.

[RUEZ]

andyt wrote:

So he edited his post?

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't mean that all priests of all religions are child rapists. That it was just poor writing and he only meant those that do rape/abuse children.

Maybe, even still there is no mention of religion or priests in the original article. As Guy has said if one wants to talk about abusive priests I'm sure we could find a thread about that.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Still why bring a religious argument into it? Regardless, he said it was a mistake and its done and over with.

[andyt]

He was saying, as I read it, that all abusers need to be removed from society, even priests who do so. I think that's both germane and a perfectly reasonably position to take.

As if the rest of us haven't got way further off topic in a thread before.

[andyt]

From personal experience, I think people are way too quick to call people trolls on this forum. What's wrong with somebody having opinions contrary to the majority here, as long as they're willing to defend them and aren't only posting them to get a rise out of people? I think nothing destroys a good forum faster than some mindset taking hold against which posters may not speak.

[paganmystic]

Sorry it was taken that way, because when I said, "all" it was attached to denominations not preists, it was so a specific denomination wasn't targeted or accuse all preists(clergy) that is simply wrong because it becomes a lie. I have never nor will I push something I don't believe in, that is hyprocrasy. Nor can I control the way others misinterpret what I have written, especially when it is clearly laid out, whether it is intentional or not.

Pedophilia, which is what this is about, has to be looked at in its broader spectrum because we, those that make up society, have to make the outcry in places like this to have it dealt with, both in the law and punishment so these monsters preying on our children, are removed. It does not matter where they are, they are all the same, hidious, deceitful monsters. Until we all treat it that way we will always allow it to continue.

[andyt]

Pedophilia is likely as inborn as homosexuality. Both lie on a spectrum as well (ie not all pedos are only pedos just like many people are bisexual). The argument has been made (not by me) that since it's an inborn trait we should not be punishing it anymore than we do gay sex. I say fine, but we have to protect our children, so we'll just permanently remove pedos to live on reservations where they can't harm kids anymore. I'm not big on punishing people anyway, but I am big on removing those who can't live among us in peace.

[paganmystic]

Thanks andyt.
lol Yes I editted my own post, but Guy and Ruez made sure the original post is there and intact. I'm a slow typer my hope was to get that last one up before more came in.

[Brenda]

Quote:

I say fine, but we have to protect our children, so we'll just permanently remove pedos to live on reservations where they can't harm kids anymore.

With this, you assume pedos are exclusively of one sex. We all know that is bogus...
When you put all pedos in some kind of reservation, you bring males and females together, to do... what again?

Make their own babies to abuse?

On the other hand, not all pedos act on it. I am sure there are more people getting aroused by children but not acting on it because it is wrong, than we know...

[andyt]

Brenda wrote:

Quote:

I say fine, but we have to protect our children, so we'll just permanently remove pedos to live on reservations where they can't harm kids anymore.

With this, you assume pedos are exclusively of one sex. We all know that is bogus...
When you put all pedos in some kind of reservation, you bring males and females together, to do... what again?

Make their own babies to abuse?

On the other hand, not all pedos act on it. I am sure there are more people getting aroused by children but not acting on it because it is wrong, than we know...

Good point. Sterilize them.

This all would only apply to pedos who actually act out, and of sufficient severity. I'm not proposing some (Tom Cruise movie) solution. We already do this - it's called jail. But we let many of them out too soon, and I'm not big on the retributive justice they get from other cons. Just keep them away from kids, is my only concern.