[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson wrote:

Thanos wrote:

Zipperfish wrote:

But where does he define morality? Are these acts immoral because he says they are immoral?

But that these things are all irredeemably wrong, if not outright evil to commit, should be inherently apparent to any human being that wasn't raised in a politicized moral abbatoir.

Are you asserting the existence of absolute morality?

Ha! you beat me to it!

[Thanos]

I don't know about an absolute morality. But just being evolved as social animals has ensured that the vast, vast majority of us are born and then raised in atmospheres that emphasize the difference between right and wrong. It's only the sociopathy/psychopathy of certain dangerous individuals, and unfortunately of too many of our governmental and religious institutions, that are able to make us turn black into white and up into down.

Throw in an incessant level of propaganda, usually reverberating through society from the top on down, and it's easier to understand how things ranging from the justification of slavery, to the endless oppression of women, to the insane anti-historical idiocy of the Nazis concept of 'Positive Christianity' become widely accepted among people who one would normally assume to be logical and decent enough to reject them on sight.

[BartSimpson]

Hmm. See, I do assert that an absolute morality exists. It's just that it's up to us fallible people to figure out how it applies, is all.

For instance, unless you're an Afghan male, we can pretty much agree that assaulting little boys is never defensible.

Slaughtering kids on a schoolyard with an Ak-47 is another thing we can all agree on.

It goes from there.

The people I have serious issues with are the situational ethicists coming out of the schools these days who are unable to call racially motivated genocide absolutely wrong. It seems that any kind of heinous crime can be excused if it's for the greater good.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson wrote:

Hmm. See, I do assert that an absolute morality exists. It's just that it's up to us fallible people to figure out how it applies, is all.

For instance, unless you're an Afghan male, we can pretty much agree that assaulting little boys is never defensible.

Slaughtering kids on a schoolyard with an Ak-47 is another thing we can all agree on.

It goes from there.

The people I have serious issues with are the situational ethicists coming out of the schools these days who are unable to call racially motivated genocide absolutely wrong. It seems that any kind of heinous crime can be excused if it's for the greater good.

I notice that they're discussing "V is for Vendetta" on another topic. Ever read/see "The Watchmen." Interesting take on situational ethics, not to mention a fantastic read.

[Thanos]

Alan Moore actually had some really fucked-up ideas, verging into conspiracist bullshit. I blame it on all the drugs he does.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos wrote:

Alan Moore actually had some really fucked-up ideas, verging into conspiracist bullshit. I blame it on all the drugs he does.

I would blame Alan Moore.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish wrote:

Ever read/see "The Watchmen." Interesting take on situational ethics, not to mention a fantastic read.

I recall seeing part of the movie and finding it an effective sleep aid, thus the whole only seeing a part of it thing.

[ShepherdsDog]

Zipperfish wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

Hmm. See, I do assert that an absolute morality exists. It's just that it's up to us fallible people to figure out how it applies, is all.

For instance, unless you're an Afghan male, we can pretty much agree that assaulting little boys is never defensible.

Slaughtering kids on a schoolyard with an Ak-47 is another thing we can all agree on.

It goes from there.

The people I have serious issues with are the situational ethicists coming out of the schools these days who are unable to call racially motivated genocide absolutely wrong. It seems that any kind of heinous crime can be excused if it's for the greater good.

I notice that they're discussing "V is for Vendetta" on another topic. Ever read/see "The Watchmen." Interesting take on situational ethics, not to mention a fantastic read.

One of the best lines in the movie made by Rorschach after he was locked up in general population and attacked by a con for the first time.


Rorschach: None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with *ME*!