[fifeboy]

Apollo wrote:

I take my daughter to ballet, dance, swimming lessons and soccer. Don't give me the bullshit line of so much for parenting. If teachers are not there to "teach" then whats the point of their job exactly Sherlock?

Dear Sun God thingie Dude.

Teachers are there to teach, yes, but you are an idiot if you feel that learning ends at the classroom door. Without parents to make sure homework is done and with parents that scream bloody murder when a student is failed, no learning takes place.

Yours truely

Sherlock.

P.S. Check out the curriculum for your Province. If you don't like it than you, as a voter, should try to get it changed.

[commanderkai]

jason700 wrote:

I agree, no special treatment for being religious. Curriculum stays the same, if you miss classes and fail, it's your parents fault.

Which makes perfect sense since that's how it is now, the only difference is that they don't get an one week lesson on sex ed, which nobody pays attention to and there's no test for either way! Problem solved.

[RUEZ]

commanderkai wrote:

jason700 wrote:

I agree, no special treatment for being religious. Curriculum stays the same, if you miss classes and fail, it's your parents fault.

Which makes perfect sense since that's how it is now, the only difference is that they don't get an one week lesson on sex ed, which nobody pays attention to and there's no test for either way! Problem solved.

Sounds reasonable.

[commanderkai]

RUEZ wrote:

commanderkai wrote:

Which makes perfect sense since that's how it is now, the only difference is that they don't get an one week lesson on sex ed, which nobody pays attention to and there's no test for either way! Problem solved.

Sounds reasonable.

Thank you. I'm not sure what you guys think sex ed is in schools, but usually it's either A) The most boring week of gym class, or B) The most immature week of science class. You learn some basic parts of the human anatomy, and then how babies are born. And, if you're truly cursed, they'll show a baby being born to disturb you. After that, the entire subject is ignored, and you either A) Go back to playing dodgeball, or B) go back to studying the different types of rocks.

[Gunnair]

Apollo wrote:

fifeboy wrote:

Apollo wrote:

You are making the false assumption that teachers are full of wisdom and parents are full of ignorance. Do you not understand that teachers and parents are sometimes one and the same?

My daughter is 6 years old and I was told by her teacher that it was my responsibility to teach her how to read. All she does at school is play. Its become a glorified daycare system.

Secondly, my cousin who is 16 has been passed along his whole life. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that he reads at a grade 3 level. (This is not an isolated case in Toronto)None of his teachers have ever taken responsibility to help him. They just keep passing him in the hopes that next years teacher will pick up the ball.

So much for "teaching".

So much for parenting!

I take my daughter to ballet, dance, swimming lessons and soccer. Don't give me the bullshit line of so much for parenting. If teachers are not there to "teach" then whats the point of their job exactly Sherlock?

So you drive your daughter around.

Have a cookie and kick back content with the sheer awesomeness of your parenting...

[RUEZ]

commanderkai wrote:

Thank you. I'm not sure what you guys think sex ed is in schools, but usually it's either A) The most boring week of gym class, or B) The most immature week of science class. You learn some basic parts of the human anatomy, and then how babies are born. And, if you're truly cursed, they'll show a baby being born to disturb you. After that, the entire subject is ignored, and you either A) Go back to playing dodgeball, or B) go back to studying the different types of rocks.

I took it in a couple different highschools. It never scarred me, and in reality it wasn't that much that I didn't know already. I don't think religious people will lose out much if they skip it, but I don't think it would hurt for them to attend.

[commanderkai]

RUEZ wrote:

I took it in a couple different highschools. It never scarred me, and in reality it wasn't that much that I didn't know already. I don't think religious people will lose out much if they skip it, but I don't think it would hurt for them to attend.

I believe the child giving birth happened in grade six, which was Middle School where I was attending, then I took it again in grade...11, which was just as dull, but less disturbing. I agree that it would not hurt any religious person to attend, but, I respect the decision if they want sex ed to be taught in their own way.

[Blue_Nose]

Your personal interest in the subject when it was taught is irrelevant - the fact that a child remains ignorant of portion of the curriculum should be reflected in their grade. If you sat on the bench for dodgeball because you thought it was boring, you would presumably get a lower physical education grade than if you participated.

[bootlegga]

Blue_Nose wrote:

jeez, they're still talking about this?

The solution is simple - absolutely let parents decide how much their kids go to school, and let them keep their children from learning certain topics if they please. There should be no special privileges when it comes to testing and grading, though - if they skip the class on evolution or sex education and fail the test, it should be reflected on their report card.

Nobody's forced to compromise their superstitious beliefs, and they don't get a free pass because of them - fair for everyone.

[commanderkai]

Blue_Nose wrote:

Your personal interest in the subject when it was taught is irrelevant - the fact that a child remains ignorant of portion of the curriculum should be reflected in their grade. If you sat on the bench for dodgeball because you thought it was boring, you would presumably get a lower physical education grade than if you participated.

It is, it'll probably be marked as N/A in the small section in their report card, and then nobody cares after that. If you want to expand sexual education to become a larger portion of the curriculum, fine, but as of right now, the educational benefit of said class is near nil, with most of it being taught in general science class anyway.

The kid remains ignorant of the specific terms of the genitial areas of the male and female body, so unless they're going to become a gynecologist. I really don't see the impact. But, let's go your way, and say they fail whatever assignments relating to sex ed, since that will be maybe 3 assignments and a quiz after that week, their grade might suffer 1% overall in general science class, or general gym class.

[Blue_Nose]

commanderkai wrote:

The kid remains ignorant of the specific terms of the genitial areas of the male and female body, so unless they're going to become a gynecologist. I really don't see the impact. But, let's go your way, and say they fail whatever assignments relating to sex ed, since that will be maybe 3 assignments and a quiz after that week, their grade might suffer 1% overall in general science class, or general gym class.

and.........?

I assume you feel I was trying to advocate measures more drastic than that - I'm not. They'll have some minor blemish on their report card and that's it (aside from the secondary effects they'll face from a worldview based on willful ignorance).

I agree it's no big deal if some religious nut (or poor kid with religious nut parents) doesn't learn about science in science class, or about health in health class; they just stay ignorant and the world will move on around them.

[Apollo]

fifeboy wrote:

Apollo wrote:

I take my daughter to ballet, dance, swimming lessons and soccer. Don't give me the bullshit line of so much for parenting. If teachers are not there to "teach" then whats the point of their job exactly Sherlock?

Dear Sun God thingie Dude.

Teachers are there to teach, yes, but you are an idiot if you feel that learning ends at the classroom door. Without parents to make sure homework is done and with parents that scream bloody murder when a student is failed, no learning takes place.

Yours truely

Sherlock.

P.S. Check out the curriculum for your Province. If you don't like it than you, as a voter, should try to get it changed.

I don't think learning ends at the classroom door, but learning doesn't even begin at the classroom door. If you weren't so busy insulting everyone, you would have noticed.

Read my original post again. The teacher told me that it was MY responsibility to "teach" my daughter to read. Making sure homework is completed and actually teaching are two different things. Perhaps I can get her teacher to do my job in the evenings.

[Gunnair]

Apollo wrote:

fifeboy wrote:

Apollo wrote:

I take my daughter to ballet, dance, swimming lessons and soccer. Don't give me the bullshit line of so much for parenting. If teachers are not there to "teach" then whats the point of their job exactly Sherlock?

Dear Sun God thingie Dude.

Teachers are there to teach, yes, but you are an idiot if you feel that learning ends at the classroom door. Without parents to make sure homework is done and with parents that scream bloody murder when a student is failed, no learning takes place.

Yours truely

Sherlock.

P.S. Check out the curriculum for your Province. If you don't like it than you, as a voter, should try to get it changed.

I don't think learning ends at the classroom door, but learning doesn't even begin at the classroom door. If you weren't so busy insulting everyone, you would have noticed.

Pot this is kettle...

[Apollo]

Gunnair wrote:

Apollo wrote:

fifeboy wrote:

Dear Sun God thingie Dude.

Teachers are there to teach, yes, but you are an idiot if you feel that learning ends at the classroom door. Without parents to make sure homework is done and with parents that scream bloody murder when a student is failed, no learning takes place.

Yours truely

Sherlock.

P.S. Check out the curriculum for your Province. If you don't like it than you, as a voter, should try to get it changed.

Here's a summary of your past few comments Gunnair.....

"Pot this is kettle..."

"So you drive your daughter around.

Have a cookie and kick back content with the sheer awesomeness of your parenting... '


You're amazing Skippy. I don't know how anyone can possibly compete with your superior debating skills. You obviously know everything there is to know about parenting and teaching so they may as well close down this thread as you have managed to singlehandedly solve all of Canada's academic problems. Or as you put it; what problems?

Dismissing my active involvement in my daughters life as simply "driving her around" is quite simply insulting. Especially considering for what passes as "parenting" these days.

I take pride in making sure that my two daughters are brought up with high morals and social skills. I teach them to have empathy and to respect others. It's too bad your parents didn't do the same.

Have a great day!

[Gunnair]

Apollo wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

Apollo wrote:

Here's a summary of your past few comments Gunnair.....

"Pot this is kettle..."

"So you drive your daughter around.

Have a cookie and kick back content with the sheer awesomeness of your parenting... '


You're amazing Skippy. I don't know how anyone can possibly compete with your superior debating skills. You obviously know everything there is to know about parenting and teaching so they may as well close down this thread as you have managed to singlehandedly solve all of Canada's academic problems. Or as you put it; what problems?

Dismissing my active involvement in my daughters life as simply "driving her around" is quite simply insulting. Especially considering for what passes as "parenting" these days.

I take pride in making sure that my two daughters are brought up with high morals and social skills. I teach them to have empathy and to respect others. It's too bad your parents didn't do the same.

Have a great day!

It's unfortunate you seem to be so blind to the hypocrisy of your argument. You have no issues dismissing arguments and stances you don't happen to agree with, tossing about insulting barbs, and complaining about disrespect when you've shown none.

Apparently mine weren't the only ones with parenting issues...

PS Thanks, I did have a great day.