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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:20 am
 


I think lot of people get out of religion what they want to get out of it. I'm not sure all the Christians I know literally believe Genesis and Leviticus Some were brought up with the Church and it is comfortable for them. It engenders happy, warm feelings. Others are searching for meaning. With the rate of change of technology, I wouldn't be surprised that some folks are looking for truths that they consider eternal and unchanging.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:03 am
 


Revelations (Of Glaaki) always comfort me when I'm down. Image


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Lemmy Lemmy:
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Religion be damned. People believe what they want to believe and information has nothing to do with it. All you have to do is to have watched the last Canadian and American elections to see that fairy tale point proven.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that very point for quite some time. And it's causing me to rethink one of my core philosophical beliefs: free speech. I've always been a huge proponent of free speech. But I'm starting to conclude that the right of free speech shouldn't extend to media. There's just so much fake news out there now that people are being duped by media that seems legitimate but just isn't. Talk radio. Internet "news" agencies. Paid bloggers. Conspiracies. All that noise is having an effect and too much of the population just isn't savvy enough to distinguish truth from fiction, hypothesis from conclusion.

So your point is valid. But I remain convinced that religion's downfall is education-based. "Sacred" stories are just not believable to anyone who has a rudimentary grasp of science and history and churches' success at indoctrination depends on limiting the congregation's access to that knowledge. But if the churches ever had the guts to come out and tell people that their stories are allegory; that no one is actually claiming Jesus walked on water or rose from the dead, then people could embrace the moral truths behind those stories and not be conflicted by the literal fiction. Few institutions will survive the Information Age if they don't, likewise, amend their practises to reflect society's new access to information. When did you learn that Santa Claus was your daddy? I know my kids figured that out at a lot younger age than kids of my generation.


Given that one hell of alot of people are by nature fucking idiots (see cults) maybe the only thing organized religion needs to draw people back to the fold is to have it's own news outlet like MSN or Fox. Then, all they have to do is espouse the virtues of their religious doctrine in the media along with it's benefits and bingo they're inboard.

The only issues I can see with them doing it this way is the problem of couching anything that's unbelievable in terms that make it sound technical, rational and plausible. But hey people still believe politicians and news outlets so it's definitely doable. ROTFL


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Lemmy Lemmy:
I've always been a huge proponent of free speech. But I'm starting to conclude that the right of free speech shouldn't extend to media.


CKA is a form of media so you'd want to censor yourself?


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Technically they already have their own TV "news" network. FOX never says anything critical about religion in the exact same way the CBC never says anything critical about the NDP. Anyone religious that goes on FOX representing that religion, especially if they're from some evangelical gay-bashing church, pretty much gets the full red-carpet treatment. They've already got a couple of in-house cretins like Todd Starnes on FOX doing the smiley face thing as they report on atrocities like science teachers doing ungodly things like teaching evolution. Needs more Reagan & more free market Jeebus, and less elites with their perversion and sciency stuff and thangs!


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Some of the fake news these days has been in the abuse of the term 'fake news'. The Wikileaks have been denounced as 'fake news' even though no one has said that even one single email in the Wikileaks is not genuine. That makes the accusation fo fake news itself into fake news and that calls into question any such assertion...even if you like the assertion you should question it.

I'd rather people be free to hear whatever information is put out for them to hear and then make up their own minds. It requires less effort.


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This is probably fence sitters who now feel comfortable doing away with the religion entirely. People who went to church because they've always gone to church, but don't really believe in it any more. They didn't feel comfortable separating themselves that way from their family or friends, and it's more acceptable to do so now.

Now they can celebrate Newtonmas!


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:55 pm
 


Seeing as Newton was quite a religious man and scholar.


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Seeing as Newton was quite a religious man and scholar.

One of the great tragedies in the history of science. Had Newton not wasted so much of his research effort on trying to find hidden messages from God in religious texts, studying the occult and alchemy, who knows what other great for-real scientific discoveries he may have had.


In Newton's time the occult and alchemy were legitimate fields of study. Had not serious men like Newton studied topics like these they would have never been debunked.

I suppose you could consider that Newton's studies in these fields taught him how to approach the work we know him for in our time.


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Lemmy Lemmy:
Yeah, I've been thinking about that very point for quite some time. And it's causing me to rethink one of my core philosophical beliefs: free speech. I've always been a huge proponent of free speech. But I'm starting to conclude that the right of free speech shouldn't extend to media. There's just so much fake news out there now that people are being duped by media that seems legitimate but just isn't. Talk radio. Internet "news" agencies. Paid bloggers. Conspiracies. All that noise is having an effect and too much of the population just isn't savvy enough to distinguish truth from fiction, hypothesis from conclusion.

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I guess we will have to come to an agreement on what constitutes lies and what is opinion or belief. Saying Donald Trump is a cannibal living off the flesh of newborns is a lot different from saying you think his policies are going to be harmful to mothers and their children.


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In Newton's time the occult and alchemy were legitimate fields of study. Had not serious men like Newton studied topics like these they would have never been debunked.

I suppose you could consider that Newton's studies in these fields taught him how to approach the work we know him for in our time.

As in science describes the actual world and can be used to predict things whereas religion, the occult and alchemy don't seem to do that.


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fifeboy fifeboy:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
In Newton's time the occult and alchemy were legitimate fields of study. Had not serious men like Newton studied topics like these they would have never been debunked.

I suppose you could consider that Newton's studies in these fields taught him how to approach the work we know him for in our time.

As in science describes the actual world and can be used to predict things whereas religion, the occult and alchemy don't seem to do that.


In Newton's time these things were real.

In Saudi Arabia they still are and people get put to death for sorcery and alchemy with an alarming regularity.


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