[Choban]

GafferGal wrote:

Blue_Nose wrote:

lily wrote:

Your good deeds don't matter to whom?

God - I'm talking about the Christian belief in salvation through atonement. It doesn't matter that you've sinned as long as you accept that Jesus died for your sins and ask for forgiveness. A rapist can get into heaven if he accepts Jesus as his saviour, as there's only one (stupid) unforgivable sin - denying the Holy Spirit.

Which is exactly why I personally can't believe in such a god...
If I've worked my entire life to be a decent human being - I have to share my eternal afterlife space with people like Charlie Manson & Hitler...simply because they claim to have atoned for their sins???
Thankyou, but no Thankyou...

Jj
"He's your God, It's your hell..YOU GO THERE!"

What makes you think Hitler and Charlie Manson will be in Heaven? The idea of confession and attonment is voluntary, Hitler and Manson had no remorse for their actions and I'm pretty sure 10 hail mary's will no5t be enough to grant them entry. I'm not a christian so....
But I think people ask too much of their gods no matter what they believe, I mean if we are talking about the creator of the whole universe what makes everyone think he actually gives a shit about us
I'd say that people who are secure in their faith are happy and content, it works for them so have at it, personally I tend to believe that IF there is a heaven then your beliefs don't matter rather how you live your life will be the deciding factor. I also don't think that in a world with as many religions as ours that a Christian god would refuse those of other faiths entry to heaven, most of us believe what we were taught as children and some of us have expanded our beleifs based on our own lifes experience.

[Hawkins]

God saves souls ever since the fall, and everyone dies anyway one way or another. Those die of hunger could mean 2 things, 1) humans on the other side of the earth have food in excess but lacking love, 2) most likely they are saved unlike those lacking love but have food in excess.

Ever since science is blooming, people are incapable of thinking in the above way because they eat too much from the Tree of Knowledge to think that their eyes are opened and they are as smart as God. And they fail to see the Tree of Life.

for when you eat of it you will surely die the second death.


Tree of Life: ( what is it )

After eating from the Tree of Knowledge, people presume baselessly and by their own faith and not supported by any science that life ceases to exist after physical death. Which means they fail to see the Tree of Life while God prefers to hide it from them.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Fail!

[Brenda]

Hawkins wrote:

God saves souls ever since the fall, and everyone dies anyway one way or another. Those die of hunger could mean 2 things, 1) humans on the other side of the earth have food in excess but lacking love, 2) most likely they are saved unlike those lacking love but have food in excess.

Ever since science is blooming, people are incapable of thinking in the above way because they eat too much from the Tree of Knowledge to think that their eyes are opened and they are as smart as God. And they fail to see the Tree of Life.

for when you eat of it you will surely die the second death.


Tree of Life: ( what is it )

After eating from the Tree of Knowledge, people presume baselessly and by their own faith and not supported by any science that life ceases to exist after physical death. Which means they fail to see the Tree of Life while God prefers to hide it from them.

Could you explain this so dummies can understand what you are rambling about? Thanks!
The only thing I get is "and everyone dies in one way or another"

[PENATRATOR]

You die, your bones turn to dust. End of story

[Hawkins]

Brenda wrote:

fail to see the Tree of Life while God prefers to hide it from them
Could you explain this so dummies can understand what you are rambling about? Thanks!
The only thing I get is "and everyone dies in one way or another"

Well, I post it here and I post the same else where, if you don't understand it while it doesn't seem to be a problem else where, I can't help much.

Ok, I try again to make myself clear.


After leaving Eden, God's job is for the salvation of human souls. It is humans' own responsibility to keep humans themselves survive.

if it is said that starvation occurred in Africa, at the same time food is in excess in the western countries. Due to reasons, lacking love is definitely one of them, humans in western countries failed to ship the food in excess to Africa. The same can be said about people's education, health care and etc. in Africa.

And ever since science is acquired by humans, they turn blind about God's existence. Just as prophecied in the very first chapter of the Holy Scripture, they eat too much from the Tree of Knowledge and start to think that they are just like God. They start to think that their eyes are opened by the knowledge they call science. They will no longer listen to the Word of God. They are eating from the Tree of Knowledge while ignoring God's Word. That's exactly what Adam did which led to Adam's death. This time it will however lead to humans' second death.

After acquiring the knowledge of science, people start to believe that afterlife doesn't exist. This is because they eat too much from the Tree of Knowledge and fail to see the Tree of Life. They fail to see the Tree of Life and thus assume that life will cease to exist after physical death, and soul doesn't exist.

Yet the truth is, noone no scientists can draw any conclusion about what will actually happen after physical death. Which means, humans religiously believe that afterlife doesn't exist, as a result of eating too much from the Tree of Knowledge. That is, after being educated too much by the so called "science", humans start to form their own religion. And this religion says that "afterlife doesn't exist", though science itself never says so.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Ah your making the white man's burden agrument, gotcha.

Btw the way Atheism is to a religion, just like bald is not a hair colour.

Maybe you should sit and ponder what science has brought you, if science did not answer questions about life and the workings of this universe you would most likely not be alive today. Have a little gratitude yeesh.