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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:18 am
 


Fighter Fighter:
Why do we Muslims walk anti-clockwise around the Kaaba?

By Sheikh Abdul Hamid Lachporia

Do you know why the TAWAAF around the KA’BAH is “Anticlockwise”?

Modern Science has proven many things that confirm the importance of TAWAAF around the KA’BAH in an “Anticlockwise” direction.


1) The Blood inside the human body begins its circulation “Anticlockwise”


Nonsense. The blood does not travel around the body before returning to the heart as was once believed. The science of physiology proved this beyond a doubt decades ago.

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2) The electrons of an atom revolve around its nucleus in the same manner as

making Tawaf, in an anti-clockwise direction.


This is also bullshit. Electrons can be observed revolving about a nucleus in myriad and chaotic directions.

Fighter Fighter:
Considering the globe as a whole, you will notice:

3) That the moon revolves around the earth anti-clockwise.


Only if your worldview is that of the Northern Hemisphere. From the Southern Hemisphere it appears to be clockwise. Sheikh Lachporia needs to get out and travel more before making such ignorant statements.

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4) The earth rotates around its own axis in an anti-clockwise direction.


Again, see above.

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5) The earth revolves around the sun in an anti-clockwise direction.

6) The planets of the Solar system revolve around the sun in an anti-clockwise
direction.

7) The Sun along with its whole Solar system orbit in the galaxy in an
anti-clockwise direction.

8.) All the galaxies orbit in space in an anti-clockwise direction.


See the response to #3 for all of the above. These are all simply anecdotal observations that are not at all based upon science or reason.

Fighter Fighter:
9) When we Tawaaf around the Ka’bah we are orbiting in the same direction as the

whole universe.


So you may believe. Pardon me if I don't.

Fighter Fighter:
The Holy Ka’bah in Makkah is never free from circumambulation.

“Know that the world has come to an end the day when
no souls will circumambulate the Holy Ka’bah.”


When the Kaaba is subjected to flooding there is no one walking around it yet the world is still here.

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And Almighty Allah is the All-Knowing.



Remember when you first started here and I mentioned the previous Muslims who came on this site as if they were sheep only to later reveal themselves as wolves?

I am starting to wonder if your choice of name Fighter was chosen because in Arabic it can be translated as jihadi or even mujahideen.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:13 am
 


Fighter Fighter:

Old argument which is countered over here...Evolution of humans, I think over the time.[/url]


If it is an "old argument" you'd think you guys would be better at it.

The first line of your first link says this:

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Puberty is the time, usually between ages 10 and 12


Aisha was 9. Mohammed married her when she was 6. He consummated the marriage when she was 9.

It seems true that Mohammed's rule of thumb when it came to underage sex was that a woman or girl was not to be penetrated when she was menstruating. Perhaps Aisha was advanced.

I don't know how true the Muslim argument of "back then everybody was doing it with 9-year-olds" is but did you read the Hadith about Aisha bringing her doll with her to Mohammed's tent?

Your proposition was Mohammed had great affection for children. I simply agreed with you and gave an example.

There is also this business of Mohammed being the perfect example to be emulated in all things and how his practices can move into the modern world.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259971 ... -rafizadeh

Remember Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her. Have you heard of "thighing?" To be fair I'm sure it wasn't what you meant by "affection for children." Nevertheless, it's there for any modern perv in Islam looking for a holy imprimatur.

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/03 ... aisha.html

https://lidblog.com/what-ayatollah-khom ... -old-girl/


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:34 am
 


But I'm enjoying your series on interesting little side stories on Islam, Fighter.

Are you taking requests?

Can you tell us the one about Mohammed and Kinanah at Khaybar?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:26 am
 


It’s one thing to have great affection for children, it is quite another when ones affection for children is of a sexual nature. Lavrenti Beria had a great “affection” for young girls but then again he wasn’t calling himself a messenger of God.


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GreenTiger GreenTiger:
It’s one thing to have great affection for children, it is quite another when ones affection for children is of a sexual nature. Lavrenti Beria had a great “affection” for young girls but then again he wasn’t calling himself a messenger of God.


You're saying that Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) only had love/affection for girls?....He had affection, the great one, for children (girls and boys)

http://en.islamway.net/article/12461/the-prophet-and-how-he-treated-children

Also see the chart in below link....That marriage with Hazrat Aisha (Razi Allahu Tala Unhou) was anyway an exception, on part of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)....

Rest of his marriages were with aged widows, failing the argument of him being a Pedophile.

https://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/was-muhammad-a-pedophile-an-examination-of-muhammads-relationship-with-a-nine-year-old-girl/

If a child is raped/sexually abused...he/she gets effected for rest of his life, disturbing his metal/physical growth...which is certainly not the case with Hazrat Aisha Razi Allahu Tala Unhou....She was among the ones who led the Muslims in war and remembered the sayings of Holy Prophet (PBUH).

Allah knows best.

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Note: Not every Hadith you found is authentic...There are some unauthentic/weak hadiths as well, not got confirmed by Muslim scholars/Ulema...Those hadiths are called Zaeef/weak Hadiths

http://www.islamieducation.com/a-few-principles-of-hadith/

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
But I'm enjoying your series on interesting little side stories on Islam, Fighter.

Are you taking requests?

Can you tell us the one about Mohammed and Kinanah at Khaybar?


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
If it is an "old argument" you'd think you guys would be better at it.

Aisha was 9. Mohammed married her when she was 6. He consummated the marriage when she was 9.

It seems true that Mohammed's rule of thumb when it came to underage sex was that a woman or girl was not to be penetrated when she was menstruating. Perhaps Aisha was advanced.

I don't know how true the Muslim argument of "back then everybody was doing it with 9-year-olds" is but did you read the Hadith about Aisha bringing her doll with her to Mohammed's tent?

Your proposition was Mohammed had great affection for children. I simply agreed with you and gave an example.

There is also this business of Mohammed being the perfect example to be emulated in all things and how his practices can move into the modern world.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259971 ... -rafizadeh

Remember Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her. Have you heard of "thighing?" To be fair I'm sure it wasn't what you meant by "affection for children." Nevertheless, it's there for any modern perv in Islam looking for a holy imprimatur.

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/03 ... aisha.html

https://lidblog.com/what-ayatollah-khom ... -old-girl/


http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Remember when you first started here and I mentioned the previous Muslims who came on this site as if they were sheep only to later reveal themselves as wolves?

I am starting to wonder if your choice of name Fighter was chosen because in Arabic it can be translated as jihadi or even mujahideen.

:idea:


If I was really be a "Jihadi", U know, I would be working for US government :) which is certainly not the case...So :mrgreen:


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Hazrat Umar Farooq Razi Allah Ta’ala anhu - A great companion of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be upon Him)[/b].

"If there were to be a Prophet after me, he would have been Umar." - Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be upon Him)

Introduction

Hazrat Umar (R.A) belonged to the Adi family of Quraish tribe. In the 8th generation, his lineage joins with Prophet Muhmmad Rasulallah (s.a.w). He was born in 583 A.C., about forty years before the great Hijrah. The early life of Hazrat Umar is not known in detail. In his youth he was a famous wrestler and orator, and a spirited person. He was one among the few people in Makkah who knew how to read and write. His main occupation was business.

When the Rasulallah (s.a.w) recieved the revelation and invited people to Islam, Hazrat Umar initially became the sworn enemy of Islam and Rasulallah (s.a.w), and did not hesitate to harm the Muslims at every opportunity.

Hazrat Umar's acceptance of Islam

It was the sixth year of Rasulallah (s.a.w)'s mission when the leaders of Quraish called a meeting and asked for volunteers for the assassination of Rasulallah (s.a.w). Hazrat Umar offered himself for this job and everybody in the meeting exclaimed that he was the right person for it.

While he was on his way, with a sword in his hand, he met Hazrat Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas who enquired of him about where he was going. Hazrat Umar told him that he was going to murder Rasulallah (s.a.w). After some discussion Hazrat Sa'd said, "You had better take care of your own family first. Your sister and brother-in-law both have accepted Islam".

Hearing this, Hazrat Umar changed his direction and went straight to his sister's house. When Hazrat Umar knocked at the door, they were being taught the Holy Qur'an by Hazrat Khabbab (R.A). His sister Fatima was frightened on hearing Hazrat Umar’s voice and tried to hide the portion of the Holy Qur'an she was reciting. When Hazrat Umar entered the house he enquired about their Islam and on finding that they had accepted Islam, he first fell upon his brother-in-law and beat him severely. When his sister intervened he smote her so violently on her face that it bled profusely. On this his sister burst out: "Do whatever you like, we are determined to die as Muslims".

When Hazrat Umar saw his sister bleeding, he cooled down and felt ashamed. He loved Fatima very much but could not tolerate her conversion to Islam. However, deeply moved, Hazrat Umar asked her to show the pages on which the Holy Qur'an was written. But she was, after all, Hazrat Umar’s sister and told him straight, "You can not touch it unless you take a bath and make yourself clean".

He then took a bath and read the scripts. It was the beginning of Surah Ta Ha (Chapter 20 of the Holy Qur'an). Finally he came to the verse:


"Lo! I even I, am Allah, there is no god save Me. So serve Me and establish Salat for My remembrance."(Holy Quran - 20:14)


At this, Hazrat Umar exclaimed, "Surely this is the Word of Allah. Take me to Muhammad (s.a.w)".

On hearing this Hazrat Khabbab (R.A), who had hidden himself in the house, came out from inside and said, "O Umar! Glad tidings for you. It seems that the prayer of the Rasulallah (s.a.w) which he said last night has been answered in your favour. He prayed to Allah: "O Allah, strengthen Islam with either Umar b. Khattab or Umar b. Hisham, whomsoever Thou pleaseth".

Hazrat Umar then went to Rasulallah (s.a.w). On seeing him, Rasulallah (s.a.w) asked him, "Umar! what brings you here”? He said, "I am here to accept Islam".
Hearing this the Muslims shouted with joy, "Allahu Akbar! (Allah is the Greatest)" and the sound echoed though the air of Makkah.

As a matter of fact, Umar’s conversion to Islam was a terrible blow to the morale of the disbelieves. Hazrat Abdullah bin Mas'ud, a great Companion, says, "Hazrat Umar's conversion to Islam was a great triumph, his emigration to Madinah a tremendous reinforcement and his accession to Caliphate a great blessing for the Muslims".

Hazrat Umar gets the title of Al-Farooq


The conversion of Hazrat Umar (R.A) strengthened Islam.

Before this, Muslims had lived in constant fear of the disbelievers, and most of them were concealing their faith. The Muslims were now able to offer their Salat publicly. When Hazrat Umar (R.A) became a Muslim, he declared his faith openly before the Quraish chiefs. Though they stared at him, they could not do any harm to him. Then once he had been granted permission from Rasulallah (s.a.w), he led a party of the Muslims to the Kabah to offer Salat. Hazrat Hamza, who had accepted Islam a few days before Hazrat Umar (R.A), carried another party of the Muslims to Kabah.

When all the Muslims gathered in the Kabah, they offered their Salat in congregation. Rasulallah (s.a.w) led this, and it was the first public Salat in the history of Islam. For this courageous and bold action of Hazrat Umar (R.A), Rasulallah (s.a.w) gave him the title of al-Farooq i.e., the one who makes a distinction between the right (haqq) and the wrong (batil).

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:31 am
 


Fighter Fighter:
Note: Not every Hadith you found is authentic...There are some unauthentic/weak hadiths as well, not got confirmed by Muslim scholars/Ulema...Those hadiths are called Zaeef/weak Hadiths

http://www.islamieducation.com/a-few-principles-of-hadith/


However...

I would expect somebody who knows that to know what Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are.

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Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (Arabic: صحيح البخاري‎), also known as Bukhari Sharif (Arabic: بخاري شريف‎), is one of the Kutub al-Sittah (six major hadith collections) of Sunni Islam. These prophetic traditions, or hadith, were collected by the Muslim scholar Muhammad al-Bukhari, after being transmitted orally for generations. Sunni Muslims view this as one of the two most trusted collections of hadith along with Sahih Muslim, yet not generally infallible.[1][2] It is also used as an authentic hadith collection by Zaidi Shia Muslims.[3] In some circles, it is considered the most authentic book after the Quran.[4][page needed][5] The Arabic word sahih translates as authentic or correct.[6] Sahih al-Bukhari, together with Sahih Muslim is known as Sahihayn


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari

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Sahih Muslim (Arabic: صحيح مسلم‎ , Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim; full title: Al-Musnadu Al-Sahihu bi Naklil Adli) is one of the Kutub al-Sittah (six major hadith collections) in Sunni Islam.[1] It is highly acclaimed by Sunni Muslims[2] as well as Zaidi Shia Muslims.[citation needed] and considered the second most authentic hadith collection after Sahih al-Bukhari. It was collected by Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, also known as Imam Muslim.[3] Its authenticity has sometimes been questioned due to the fact that it was written over 250 years after the Islamic Prophet, Muhammed. Regardless of this, Sunni Muslims believe it to be genuine and authentic. Sahih Muslim, together with Sahih al-Bukhari is termed as Sahihayn.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_Muslim

The hadiths I referenced were from what Wikipedia tells us are the two most "trusted" or "authentic" collections of Hadiths in Sunni Islam.

So unless you have a hate on for Sunnis now or something I'm not sure what your problem is.


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You're talking about these Hadiths I mentioned earlier, correct?

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Sahih Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Sahih Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given. Other references are Sahih Bukhari 3896, 5158 and 3311.

Sahih Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Sahih Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Sahih Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
You're talking about these Hadiths I mentioned earlier, correct?

$1:
Sahih Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Sahih Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given. Other references are Sahih Bukhari 3896, 5158 and 3311.

Sahih Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Sahih Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Sahih Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.


No...

I was talking in general...Just telling the guy regarding rules of hadiths...

Never judge anyone, too quickly.

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No problem. Just as long as people understand that those Hadiths referenced above are telling the tale of Aisha as considered authentic by the respected scholars of Islam.


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This thread still lives?

[titanic]


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CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
This thread still lives?

[titanic]


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It does (Peace Be Upon It).


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
No problem. Just as long as people understand that those Hadiths referenced above are telling the tale of Aisha as considered authentic by the respected scholars of Islam.


Your definition of pedophile is vastly different from rest of world...Wanna see pedophile..??? See him

David Volmer, also known as Shannon Ellis Dawid Volmer, pleaded guilty to 12 charges last month

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192023/WA-paedophile-ring-pastor-David-Volmer-drugged-13-year-old-victim-amyl-nitrate-raping-her.html

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Another one for you, sir.

Louis Lamonica Jnr and eight members the Hosanna Church are accused of being members of a Satanic paedophile ring who ritually raped up to 25 children, as well as performing animal sacrifices.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1491327/Satanist-paedophile-ring-ritually-raped-up-to-25-children.html

You were just labeling/ drawing parallel regarding life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) with these guys? 8O


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CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
This thread still lives?

[titanic]


-J.


PluggyRug PluggyRug:

It does (Peace Be Upon It).


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Fighter Fighter:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
No problem. Just as long as people understand that those Hadiths referenced above are telling the tale of Aisha as considered authentic by the respected scholars of Islam.


Your definition of pedophile is vastly different from rest of world...Wanna see pedophile..??? See him

David Volmer, also known as Shannon Ellis Dawid Volmer, pleaded guilty to 12 charges last month


Wanna see another one?

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"The Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl "a divine blessing," and advised the faithful: "Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house."

850,000 LITTLE GIRLS IN IRAN ARE MARRIED

Then there were these guys. They were pretty famous...well, infamous, maybe.

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Rochdale child sex abuse ring


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