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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:07 am
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

"The Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl "a divine blessing," and advised the faithful: "Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house."

850,000 LITTLE GIRLS IN IRAN ARE MARRIED

Then there were these guys. They were pretty famous...well, infamous, maybe.

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You are reinforcing my point that Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was never a pedophile as almost all of his marriages were with aged women/widows. Not the gesture of "Pedophile", surely...

Not to forget the evolution over the time...In early ages, one used to have early puberty and Islam argues for marriage as soon as possible when one reaches his/her puberty to avoid illegal sex/lust


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:09 am
 


Many Afghan refugees have gotten Pakistani passport in fraudulent way...May be among those in listed "Pakistanis"


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:00 am
 


Fighter Fighter:
Not to forget the evolution over the time...In early ages, one used to have early puberty and Islam argues for marriage as soon as possible when one reaches his/her puberty to avoid illegal sex/lust



Oh I see so we are the wrong ones for not marrying girls off at 10 or 12...... or 9... or 6.

Good to know.



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Many Afghan refugees have gotten Pakistani passport in fraudulent way...May be among those in listed "Pakistanis"


Is this an Islam desk, or a Paki Desk ?

Because Afghans are also Muslims, so does it matter ?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:00 pm
 


Fighter Fighter:
You are reinforcing my point that Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was never a pedophile as almost all of his marriages were with aged women/widows. Not the gesture of "Pedophile", surely...


I'm not sure how I'm "reinforcing your point." I don't remember discussing Mohammed's sex life, beyond Aisha.

But if you insist...

It's true Mohammed had a lot of wives. At least 11. Some of them were widows. Others were daughters or wives of people Mohammed allied with or killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_wives

But it wasn't just his wives that would find themselves under Mohammed's blankets though. One hears of temporary marriages. Also, we know he kept sex slaves, or as he called them "what his right hand possessed." There's a story of the Muslims raping and pillaging in some village they'd raided and one of the muslim raiders had grabbed a girl Mohammed liked the look of, so he asked for her and the guy gave her up.

If anybody has ever chronicled the ages of all these visitors to Mohammed's tent I'm not aware of it, but there is this concerning a "marriage" that almost happened:

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Durrah bint Abi Salama was the daughter of Muhammad's wife Hind. Another wife, Ramlah, noticed that Muhammad admired Durrah and asked if he intended to marry her. He replied that he could not marry his stepdaughter; and besides, her father had been his foster-brother. On the day Muhammad died, Durrah was only six years old.


I notice his objection has nothing to do with age.

Also, there are Hadiths about how those older wives you mention weren't happy with how Mohammed was monopolizing his time with Aisha. Apparently one of the crones wasn't getting her time under the blankets with Mohammed. He was spending too much time under their with the kid, Aisha. They objected.


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Oh I see so we are the wrong ones for not marrying girls off at 10 or 12...... or 9... or 6.

Good to know.

Is this an Islam desk, or a Paki Desk ?

Because Afghans are also Muslims, so does it matter ?


You were definitely wrong one for not marrying a girl even if she reaches her puberty...Marriage is good thing rather than casual/illegal sex destroying family system

Don't compare humans of that time to people of today's modern age/standard...You will only do so if you're having a strong bias...

Read about history of evolution, of humans....Read with open mind...

https://lifestyle.howstuffworks.com/family/parenting/tweens-teens/earlier-girls-puberty.htm


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:29 am
 


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You can disagree with the articles I am posting over in this specific thread...My information can be wrong...But my intention is to post as best I can a authentic source/article of knowledge...Please don't doubt on my judgement...I am in no way going to feed the people wrong information over here deliberately

Sorry for rude remarks, if you may find any on my part...


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Fighter Fighter:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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You can disagree with the articles I am posting over in this specific thread...My information can be wrong...But my intention is to post as best I can a authentic source/article of knowledge...Please don't doubt on my judgement...I am in no way going to feed the people wrong information over here deliberately

Sorry for rude remarks, if you may find any on my part...

Oh I have definitely found.

Women = garbage


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Oh I have definitely found.

Women = garbage


Sorry...I didn't get your point.

Are you trying to say that I am making women appear to be garbage, for men?

Or...you were being sarcastic?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:55 am
 


Famous Hazarat Ali Quotes - He was four Caliph of Muslims, highly regarded and had great wisdom.

“He who trusts the world, the world betrays him.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“The nourishment of body is food, while the nourishment of the soul is feeding others.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Life consists of two days, one for you one against you. So when it’s for you don’t be proud or reckless, and when it’s against you be patient, for both days are test for you.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“The best deed of a great man is to forgive and forget.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Woman is a delicate creature with strong emotions who has been created by the Almighty God to shoulder responsibility for educating society and moving toward perfection. God created woman as symbol of His own beauty and to give solace to her partner and her family.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“You must be humble, as it is one of the greatest [forms of] worship.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“One who rushes madly after inordinate desire, runs the risk of encountering destruction and death.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Poverty is the worst form of death.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Death is near and our mutual company is short.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“If you find that somebody is not grateful for all that you have done for him, then do not get disappointed because often you will find that someone else feels under your obligation though you have done nothing for him and thus your good deeds will be compensated, and Allah will reward you for your goodness.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Patience ensures victory.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“In this world, man is a target of death, an easy prey to calamities, here every morsel and every draught is liable to choke one, here one never receives a favour until he loses another instead, here every additional day in one’s life is a day reduced from the total span of his existence, when death is the natural outcome of life, how can we expect immortality?” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Beware of speaking too much, for it increases mistakes and engenders boredom.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“How strange is man that when he is afraid of something he runs away from it, but when he is afraid of Allah, he gets closer to Him.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Backbiting is the attempt of one who is incapable of doing better himself.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Take Care Of Your Tongue Like The Way You Take Care Of Gold & Silver.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.

“Whoever wants to be a leader should educate himself before educating others. Before preaching to others he should first practice himself. Whoever educates himself and improves his own morals is superior to the man who tries to teach and train others.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“A graceful refusal is better than a lengthy promise.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“A wise man always has something to say, whereas a fool always needs to say something.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Surely silence can sometimes be the most eloquent reply.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Courtesy costs nothing, but buys everything.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Do not let your difficulties fill you with anxiety, after all it is only in the darkest nights that stars shine more brightly.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Dislike in yourself what you dislike in others.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“A brother is like gold and a friend is like diamond. If gold cracks you can melt it and make it just like it was before. If a diamond cracks, it can never be like it was before.” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“Nothing hurts a good soul and a kind heart more than to live amongst people who cannot understand it » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

“When the world pushes you to your knees, you’re in the perfect position to pray” » Hazrat Ali Ibn Abu-Talib A.S

https://www.thefreshquotes.com/famous-hazarat-ali-quotes


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:45 am
 


Fighter Fighter:
You were definitely wrong one for not marrying a girl even if she reaches her puberty...Marriage is good thing rather than casual/illegal sex destroying family system



And what is the age of consent to sex in Pakistan ?

And the earliest age of marriage ?

And what do Muslims do in countries where that age is long after puberty, say about 18yrs old ?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:42 am
 


I enjoyed your Hazrat Ali quotes, Fighter, although I didn't find them that profound or powerful. It's possible they lose something in the translation.

Here are some quotes from another famous Muslim though that retain their power.

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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I enjoyed your Hazrat Ali quotes, Fighter, although I didn't find them that profound or powerful. It's possible they lose something in the translation.

Here are some quotes from another famous Muslim though that retain their power.

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YAWN

martin14 martin14:

And what is the age of consent to sex in Pakistan ?

And the earliest age of marriage ?

And what do Muslims do in countries where that age is long after puberty, say about 18yrs old ?


I can talk about my country/culture since I don't know about others'.

In Pakistan, boys go for marriage when they are at least 25 while girls' marriage discussion get starts when she reaches her 18....It is general. While it Depends on family to family as well

Didn't get your third sentence...

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India - Responsible for razing Babri Mosque, 3 guilt-ridden karsevaks have embraced Islam

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(Right) Maulana Kaleem Siddiqui giving religious discourse; (left) Mohd Aamir

For some former kar sevaks bringing down the Babri Masjid is now no longer a matter of pride but one of anguish. Once fiercely determined to the cause of the Ram temple these men have have embraced Islam in a bid to find forgiveness.

Balbir Singh is a case in point. This former Shiv Sena leader from Panipat made history as he climbed atop the raized Babri Masjid, on a dateline India will never forget — December 6, 1992. Today, Singh is now better known as Mohammed Aamir and his colleague, Yogendra Pal, Mohammed Umar. Both of them have vowed to construct and renovate 100 mosques during their lifetime as repentance for what they had done. So far, Singh, now Aamir, says, they have managed 40.

Singh's transformation is all the more dramatic as he is known as the first karsevak on the dome to raze the Babri mosque for which he received a hero's welcome as he returned to his home town, Panipat. Two bricks were carried back by him which are still kept in the Shiv Sena's office there.

It was when he was in Deoband to assassinate Muslim cleric, Maulana Kaleem Siddiqui that he changed. After listening to the religious sermons of the Maulana, Singh confronted him not as an enemy but as someone "who had sinned against the house of God." It was then he embraced Islam. But the conversion has not been easy. Today, Aamir, has left his home town Panipat far behind to settle in Hyderabad where he is married to a Muslim lady. In another twist of fate, Aamir also runs a school to spread the teachings of Islam.

It isn't just Balbir Singh or Yogendra Pal that are haunted by their past, other kar sevaks too are doing their best to exorcise the memories of shame and guilt. Shive Prasad, a former youth leader of the Bajrang Dal in Ayodhya, is one of them. Prasad had given training to about 4,000 kar sevaks and he and his team had actively participated in pulling down the Babri Masjid on December 6, 1992.

Within a year after the demolition, Prasad went deep into depression, suffering bouts of hallucination, blaming himself for having committed an "unforgivable sin." Prasad visited psychiatrists, tantriks and saints but there was no peace in his mind. For the next five years, he lived the life of a recluse and in 1997, he went to Sharjah to seek employment In 1999, he formally embraced Islam in Sharjah and became Mohammed Mustafa.

But Mustafa's journey towards atonement has not been easy. He has been ostracised by his family and the Sangh Parivar has threatened to kill him should he ever return to India. Repentance, it seems, has come at a heavy cost.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-responsible-for-razing-babri-masjid-three-guilt-ridden-karsevaks-have-embraced-islam-2565361


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:00 am
 


Fighter Fighter:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I enjoyed your Hazrat Ali quotes, Fighter, although I didn't find them that profound or powerful. It's possible they lose something in the translation.

Here are some quotes from another famous Muslim though that retain their power.

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YAWN

martin14 martin14:

And what is the age of consent to sex in Pakistan ?

And the earliest age of marriage ?

And what do Muslims do in countries where that age is long after puberty, say about 18yrs old ?


I can talk about my country/culture since I don't know about others'.

In Pakistan, boys go for marriage when they are at least 25 while girls' marriage discussion get starts when she reaches her 18....It is general. While it Depends on family to family as well

Didn't get your third sentence...

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India - Responsible for razing Babri Mosque, 3 guilt-ridden karsevaks have embraced Islam

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(Right) Maulana Kaleem Siddiqui giving religious discourse; (left) Mohd Aamir

For some former kar sevaks bringing down the Babri Masjid is now no longer a matter of pride but one of anguish. Once fiercely determined to the cause of the Ram temple these men have have embraced Islam in a bid to find forgiveness.

Balbir Singh is a case in point. This former Shiv Sena leader from Panipat made history as he climbed atop the raized Babri Masjid, on a dateline India will never forget — December 6, 1992. Today, Singh is now better known as Mohammed Aamir and his colleague, Yogendra Pal, Mohammed Umar. Both of them have vowed to construct and renovate 100 mosques during their lifetime as repentance for what they had done. So far, Singh, now Aamir, says, they have managed 40.

Singh's transformation is all the more dramatic as he is known as the first karsevak on the dome to raze the Babri mosque for which he received a hero's welcome as he returned to his home town, Panipat. Two bricks were carried back by him which are still kept in the Shiv Sena's office there.

It was when he was in Deoband to assassinate Muslim cleric, Maulana Kaleem Siddiqui that he changed. After listening to the religious sermons of the Maulana, Singh confronted him not as an enemy but as someone "who had sinned against the house of God." It was then he embraced Islam. But the conversion has not been easy. Today, Aamir, has left his home town Panipat far behind to settle in Hyderabad where he is married to a Muslim lady. In another twist of fate, Aamir also runs a school to spread the teachings of Islam.

It isn't just Balbir Singh or Yogendra Pal that are haunted by their past, other kar sevaks too are doing their best to exorcise the memories of shame and guilt. Shive Prasad, a former youth leader of the Bajrang Dal in Ayodhya, is one of them. Prasad had given training to about 4,000 kar sevaks and he and his team had actively participated in pulling down the Babri Masjid on December 6, 1992.

Within a year after the demolition, Prasad went deep into depression, suffering bouts of hallucination, blaming himself for having committed an "unforgivable sin." Prasad visited psychiatrists, tantriks and saints but there was no peace in his mind. For the next five years, he lived the life of a recluse and in 1997, he went to Sharjah to seek employment In 1999, he formally embraced Islam in Sharjah and became Mohammed Mustafa.

But Mustafa's journey towards atonement has not been easy. He has been ostracised by his family and the Sangh Parivar has threatened to kill him should he ever return to India. Repentance, it seems, has come at a heavy cost.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-responsible-for-razing-babri-masjid-three-guilt-ridden-karsevaks-have-embraced-islam-2565361


Why the YWAN? These are quotes from your Holly book. Are you now Yawning at the words of the supposed Prophet Mohammad? You might have just committed blasphemy there.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:24 am
 


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Why the YWAN? These are quotes from your Holly book. Are you now Yawning at the words of the supposed Prophet Mohammad? You might have just committed blasphemy there.


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Desert Dude said it right.

From now on, I will reserve the right to reply whoever I like...Please don't mind if I don't reply you again....

If what you're saying is true...I mean if Muslims are really asked to do so and Islam really has said that...THEN..given the number of Muslims in world and their presence at almost all places, No non Muslim (Jew, Christian, Hindu or Buddhist) would have been alive by now...The world would be really messy for you.

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Fighter Fighter:
martin14 martin14:

And what is the age of consent to sex in Pakistan ?

And the earliest age of marriage ?

And what do Muslims do in countries where that age is long after puberty, say about 18yrs old ?


I can talk about my country/culture since I don't know about others'.

In Pakistan, boys go for marriage when they are at least 25 while girls' marriage discussion get starts when she reaches her 18....It is general. While it Depends on family to family as well

Didn't get your third sentence...




The Koran says girls should be married after the first menstruation.
Pakistan law says 18.

You are not acting according to the Koran.

Not very good Muslims.



Fighter Fighter:
From now on, I will reserve the right to reply whoever I like...Please don't mind if I don't reply you again....


Well, that was quite fast, for you to tap out and run away crying like a little girl,
because you cannot carry any debate.

If you think you are going to convert anyone on this forum, you are going to be
quite disappointed.

Soon enough, you will talking only to yourself, a sure sign of mental disease. :lol: :lol:


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