[desertdude]

stratos stratos:

On a side note thanks for making it clear Fighter doesn't know shite about this topic.

Well neither do the so called "experts" here, so I guess it evens out.

[stratos]

desertdude desertdude:

stratos stratos:

On a side note thanks for making it clear Fighter doesn't know shite about this topic.

Well neither do the so called "experts" here, so I guess it evens out.

[N_Fiddledog]

desertdude desertdude:

stratos stratos:

On a side note thanks for making it clear Fighter doesn't know shite about this topic.

Well neither do the so called "experts" here, so I guess it evens out.

Probably not but surely you're not suggesting you're the one who does "know shite" about the topic. Because if so...

[BartSimpson]

Fighter Fighter:

If what you're saying is true...I mean if Muslims are really asked to do so and Islam really has said that...THEN..given the number of Muslims in world and their presence at almost all places, No non Muslim (Jew, Christian, Hindu or Buddhist) would have been alive by now...The world would be really messy for you.

Funny, if it were true that the Muslims were so badass simply because of their numbers then how is it that the trifling ~6.5 million Jews in Israel have withstood the onslaught of Islam for sixty-nine years now?

Insh'allah?

[Fighter]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Funny, if it were true that the Muslims were so badass simply because of their numbers then how is it that the trifling ~6.5 million Jews in Israel have withstood the onslaught of Islam for sixty-nine years now?

Insh'allah?

No, sir...I was talking about continued civil war b/w Muslims and Non Muslims. EVERYWHERE not just in specific location.

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What do Muslims believe about Jesus (PBUH)?

http://www.islamicity.org/6400/what-do-muslims-believe-about-jesus-pbuh/

[BartSimpson]

Fighter Fighter:

No, sir...I was talking about continued civil war b/w Muslims and Non Muslims. EVERYWHERE not just in specific location.

At some point you nice, peaceful, demure, and quiet people will run into the Chinese, the Japanese, or...God help you...the Poles... ...and they'll go through you like shit through a goose.

Worse yet is to fuck with the Romanians. They're probably the only people in the world who think that going to war against Islam would be fun.

Seriously, you don't know what hate looks like until you've asked a Romanian what they think of Muslims.

[Fighter]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

At some point you nice, peaceful, demure, and quiet people will run into the Chinese, the Japanese, or...God help you...the Poles... ...and they'll go through you like shit through a goose.

Worse yet is to fuck with the Romanians. They're probably the only people in the world who think that going to war against Islam would be fun.

Seriously, you don't know what hate looks like until you've asked a Romanian what they think of Muslims.

I respect Polish and Romanians...Both have good relations with Pakistanis. However, Romanians who are looked down upon by their fellow Europeans/Christians are just not worthy enough to get into a fight with....I once read the comment of a person, he was westerner I think, he called slavs/Russians "Nigga" of white race.

Why would Polish folks march on us, the Muslims? Have they forgotten what Muslims did for them...It was a Muslim empire that supported them when Poland was being divided, they found a save haven in Muslim lands when Poland was no more.

http://www.polonezkoy.com/en/polonezkoy-adampol-history.asp

Polish got raped several times by Germans and Russians from multiple positions in history...They are yet to grow to fight Muslims on large scale...However, I do respect both Poland and Romania. Some Polish were brought to Pakistan after 2nd world war as refugees...Polish men joined Pakistan's institutions and helped us greatly...

So

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_people_in_Pakistan

[Fighter]

Swiss antagonist of minarets embraces Islam

January 30, 2010

RENOWNED Swiss politician Daniel Streich, who rose to fame for his campaign against minarets of mosques, has embraced Islam . A member of the Swiss Peoples Party (SVP) and a well-known politician, Daniel Streich was the first man who had launched a drive for imposition of ban on mosques minarets, and to lock the mosques in Switzerland. The proclamation of Streichs conversion to Islam has created furore in Swiss politics, besides causing a tremor for those who supported ban on construction of mosques minarets. Streich propagated his anti-Islamic movement far and wide in the country, sowed seeds of indignation and scorn for Islam among the people, and paved way for public opinion against pulpits and minarets of mosques. But now Streich has become a soldier of Islam . His anti-Islam thoughts finally brought him so close to this religion that he embraced Islam . He is ashamed of his doings now and desires to construct the most beautiful mosque of Europe in Switzerland. The most interesting thing in this regard is that at present there are four mosques in Switzerland and Streich wants to lay the foundation for the fifth one. He wishes to seek absolution of his sin of proliferating venom against Islam . He is thinking of a movement contrary to his previous one to promote religious tolerance and peaceful cooperative living, in spite of the fact that ban on mosques minarets has gained a legal status. This is the greatest quality of Islam that it comes up with even greater vigour, when it is faced with confrontation. Abdul Majeed Aldai, the president of OPI, an NGO, working for the welfare of Muslims, says that Europeans have a great desire to know about Islam . Some of them want to know about the relationship between Islam and terrorism; same was the case with Streich. During his confrontation, Streich studied the Holy Quran and started understanding Islam . He wished to be hard to Islam , but the outcome was otherwise. Aldai further says. Recently the question of ban on minarets was put to voting in Switzerland, wherein the Swiss nationals gave the issue a legal status. As per voting results 42.5 per cent people voted in favour of the minarets and 57.5 per cent supported the ban, while the Muslim population in Switzerland is only 6 per cent. The most wondrous thing in this regard, therefore, is the support of 42.5 per cent of population for only six per cent Muslims. The analysts claim that ban on minarets and Islamic rituals has attracted the people towards Islam . Streich was an important member of the Swiss Peoples Party (SVP). His importance could be estimated from his influence on partys policy making, in which he always had a prominent role. His movement against minarets was aimed at gaining political attention and interest. He won the slot of military instructor in the Swiss Army due to his popularity. Born in a Christian family, Streich had a comprehensive study of Islam merely to malign and confront, but Islamic teachings had a deep impact on him. Eventually he de-linked himself from political activities and he embraced Islam . Streich has termed the SVO activities against the Muslims as satanic. He says that he used to read the Bible and often went to chapel, but now he recites the Holy Quran and offers his prayers five times a day. He further says that he cancelled his party membership and made public his conversion. Streich says that he has found the truth of life in Islam , which he could not find in Christianity. On the other hand the Swiss military authorities have feared that Streich, who was once a military instructor, might reveal army secrets to the Muslims. An SVP National Council member says that Streich as military instructor could be dangerous. However, a spokesman of Swiss Army while rejecting this impression said that the performance of our military was more important than that who instructed it. However, from within their own ranks, a man is now working for the promotion of Islam and its teachings. The law of a country can ban minarets but not minds and hearts. - Newsdesk

https://nation.com.pk/30-Jan-2010/swiss-antagonist-of-minarets-embraces-islam

[BartSimpson]

Fighter Fighter:

I respect Polish and Romanians...Both have good relations with Pakistanis.

So long as the Pakistanis stay in Pakistan then I suppose so. But if you wish to immigrate to Poland or Romania you will not be welcomed.

Fighter Fighter:

However, Romanians who are looked down upon by their fellow Europeans/Christians are just not worthy enough to get into a fight with.

You're speaking of the Roma.

Fighter Fighter:

Why would Polish folks march on us, the Muslims?

The Poles have no great love for Islam. You might wish to study their current political status...which is profoundly anti-Islamic immigrant.

[N_Fiddledog]

Renowned?

Fighter Fighter:

RENOWNED Swiss politician Daniel Streich

Nonsense. Renowned by whom? His mother?

And now, the rest of the story.

$1:

Streich was founding member and president of the Gruyères section of the party from 2003 to 2007. He converted to Islam from Catholicism in 2005. He explained that Islam offered him "logical answers to important life questions". He then resigned from his presidency in June 2007 citing his discomfort with certain "extremist" positions of the party, especially the campaign to ban nationwide the construction of new minarets.[3][4] While Streich in 2007 stated that he had "many Muslim friends" he did not make public his personal conversion to Islam until early November 2009, when he left the Swiss People's Party in protest against their campaign for the impending referendum of 29 November 2009. He then participated in setting up the Conservative Democratic Party cantonal section.[5]

Streich's case was reported by the Swiss daily newspaper 20 Minuten on 23 November, during the week preceding the referendum and the story was picked up by the tabloid newspaper Blick on the following day.[1][5]

Streich's story first appeared in English in Tikkun Daily on 4 December 2009, as part of the international coverage on the referendum outcome. An embellished version of the story appeared on the website of Pakistani newspaper The Nation on 30 January 2010. It depicted Streich as a major Swiss politician who had been actively involved in anti-Muslim propaganda, had suddenly seen the error of his "evil ways" and then converted to Islam. The report even made Streich "the first man who had launched a drive for imposition of ban on mosques minarets", claiming that "Streich's conversion to Islam has created furore in Swiss politics, besides causing a tremor for those who supported ban on construction of mosques minarets" and that he "is ashamed of his doings now and desires to construct the most beautiful mosque of Europe in Switzerland",[6][7] while Streich in fact never had campaigned against mosques or Islam, and also never revealed any intention of building a mosque.[2]

Seriously Fighter, I felt sorry for the Americans with their CNN type fake news, but that rhetorical push of silliness from the Pakistani paper has entered 1,001 Arabian Nights territory. Good for a smile and a chuckle though.

[martin14]

He has already published this nonsense no name Swiss before,

and the story itself is 7 years old.

He is already out of material.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

He has already published this nonsense no name Swiss before,

and the story itself is 7 years old.

He is already out of material.

I'm sure he's just keeping his best material close to his vest.

[Fighter]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

So long as the Pakistanis stay in Pakistan then I suppose so. But if you wish to immigrate to Poland or Romania you will not be welcomed.

You're speaking of the Roma.

The Poles have no great love for Islam. You might wish to study their current political status...which is profoundly anti-Islamic immigrant.

Well...Romanians and Poles themselves are migrating to western Europe due to pathetic conditions at home...Who wanna migrate to Poland/Romania then?

I think we are diverting from our topic/thread

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Renowned?

Nonsense. Renowned by whom? His mother?

And now, the rest of the story.

$1:

Streich was founding member and president of the Gruyères section of the party from 2003 to 2007. He converted to Islam from Catholicism in 2005. He explained that Islam offered him "logical answers to important life questions". He then resigned from his presidency in June 2007 citing his discomfort with certain "extremist" positions of the party, especially the campaign to ban nationwide the construction of new minarets.[3][4] While Streich in 2007 stated that he had "many Muslim friends" he did not make public his personal conversion to Islam until early November 2009, when he left the Swiss People's Party in protest against their campaign for the impending referendum of 29 November 2009. He then participated in setting up the Conservative Democratic Party cantonal section.[5]

Streich's case was reported by the Swiss daily newspaper 20 Minuten on 23 November, during the week preceding the referendum and the story was picked up by the tabloid newspaper Blick on the following day.[1][5]

Streich's story first appeared in English in Tikkun Daily on 4 December 2009, as part of the international coverage on the referendum outcome. An embellished version of the story appeared on the website of Pakistani newspaper The Nation on 30 January 2010. It depicted Streich as a major Swiss politician who had been actively involved in anti-Muslim propaganda, had suddenly seen the error of his "evil ways" and then converted to Islam. The report even made Streich "the first man who had launched a drive for imposition of ban on mosques minarets", claiming that "Streich's conversion to Islam has created furore in Swiss politics, besides causing a tremor for those who supported ban on construction of mosques minarets" and that he "is ashamed of his doings now and desires to construct the most beautiful mosque of Europe in Switzerland",[6][7] while Streich in fact never had campaigned against mosques or Islam, and also never revealed any intention of building a mosque.[2]

Seriously Fighter, I felt sorry for the Americans with their CNN type fake news, but that rhetorical push of silliness from the Pakistani paper has entered 1,001 Arabian Nights territory. Good for a smile and a chuckle though.

I don't know how you're twisting this...What makes me wondering is that why this news was not covered by CNN, BBC etc aka "fake news" ....given Daniel's case was special one, I believe...

Daniel Streich was a member of the Swiss People's party (SVP), the political party that pushed the minaret ban initiative. Streich is a military instructor in the Swiss Army and a local politician in the commune of Bulle. Formerly a devout Christian, he converted to Islam and kept it a secret for two years.

He was a true SVPer and Christian. He read the Bible and regularly went to church. Now Daniel Streich, military instructor and community council member, reads the Qur'an, prays five times a day and goes to a mosque. "Islam offers me logical answers to important life questions, which, in the end, I never found in Christianity," says Streich.

Above bold post is quoted from below article...I don't read the whole article except the paragraphs I bolded above

https://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?f=Member-of-the-Swiss-Politi-by-Jason-Hamza-van-Bo-091204-506.html

I found a video of him on youtube...He is saying something...The problem I am having is that he is speaking Swiss/German...Which I don't know of so can't get what he is saying in the video.... I don't know what he is saying but one thing is confirm.....He was no ordinary man, a instructor in Swiss army and member of political party hostile to Muslims...That's why he made to some news...A lot of people are converting to Islam on daily basis and we don't hear about them. What makes me wonder is why he hide his conversion to Islam from others for two years...What can be possible reasons.??

This is nothing new.

There is another similar case in India, came into news recently...A man who took part in destruction of mosque, ended up in embracing Islam, vows to build at least 100 mosques...

Looks like those who oppose Islam with such extreme, ended up in embracing it. Below artcle is too long so only posted little while interested ones can click on link and can read whole of it...

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The Forgiveness Special: Kar Sevak Balbir Singh who helped demolish Babri Masjid is now Mohammad Amir, a man determined to rebuild 100 mosques

Mumbai Mirror | Updated: Dec 31, 2017, 05.03 AM IST

By Murali K Menon

The talk is of madness. The powerful hold it can take on one, and how the fear caused by the idea of madness can in itself be maddening.

Mohammad Amir, physically nondescript, with a triple Masters in History, Political Science, and English, and an itinerant pilgrim, should know what he is talking about: Long ago, 25 years to be precise, he had a dalliance with insanity.

We are sitting, deep into the night..........................................................The toughest kind of forgiveness is self-forgiveness and the road that leads to it is a lonely one, but it is also where mad meets the divine.

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/others/sunday-read/the-forgiveness-special-kar-sevak-balbir-singh-who-helped-demolish-babri-masjid-is-now-mohammed-amir-a-man-determined-to-rebuild-100-mosques/articleshow/62312039.cms

[N_Fiddledog]

martin14 martin14:

He has already published this nonsense no name Swiss before,

and the story itself is 7 years old.

He is already out of material.

Not only is the story seven years old, but Streitch had converted to Islam 4 years before the minaret controversy not as a result of it, as the Pakistani telling suggests.

The factual story begins over a decade ago.

[Fighter]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm sure he's just keeping his best material close to his vest.

Like US senator/politician John McCain?

martin14 martin14:

He has already published this nonsense no name Swiss before,

and the story itself is 7 years old.

He is already out of material.

Please read carefully...Doesn't matter if news is years old...Fact is a right winger devoted Christian accepted Islam

You want new story? Check this out...little bit of similarity exists...Both were in opposing camps of Islams but they ended up becoming Muslim

Babri Mosque Demolisher Builds Mosques