[ASLplease]

I was thinking,

wouldn't you agree that secularism, ie non belief ought to be treated with the same respect as religions? I do.

And, since we are fond of restricting christian values when they might offend muslims.....

I think we should restrict aethiest, secular values during Christmas time...I get offended when someone calls my son's Christmas concert a 'winter festival'. I get offended when someone instists that we replace 'oh little town of bethlehem' with frosty the snow man.

anyone have thoughts about this?

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. lets tell all those politically correct people to back the hell off cuz its offending our christian values.

[jason700]

"secularism, ie non-belief"?

Since when does secularism = non-belief?

And of course, children like Frosty the Snowman more than Oh Little Town of Bethlehem. It's fun. You don't like Frosty the Snowman?

You don't agree that your relationship with God is personal?... and that there's really no need to celebrate Christianity all of us together as North Americans when you consider that a very large number of us are NOT Christians?

[Brenda]

Does it matter what you believe in, or is Christmas all of a sudden only for the Christians to celebrate?
I think it is up to the individual what he wants to celebrate and how.

Is Canada-Day not to celebrate for non-Canadians? I don't think so either...

[desertdude]

Xmas is suppose to be a Christmas holiday for Christians, but over the years due to commercialism everybody becomes a part of it and it is no longer Christian.

I'm sure there are accomadations for people who want to celebrate it in an orthodox way. But you can't expect everyone to become "Christian" for a few days every year.

You can either spread Xmas cheer with everyone by being accomadating or stake sole ownership of it and exclude everyone other than the believing Christians. Can't have it both ways I guess.

Personaly I do find it wrong about simple things like people wanting to change it to happy holidays from Merry Xmas or like stated here winter festival. I wish many of my Christian friends Merry Xmas every year. If that makes them happy why not just as many of my Hindu, buddishts friends wish me Eid Mubarak ( Which none of you buggers did here ). Another thing atheists getting all up tight about in a useless battle to one up the theists.

But in mixed community events Chirtstian specfic stuff should be minimised I feel. Like nothing wrong with frosty the snowman. I'm sure children arn't learning anything religious from these thing anyways. Plus you can teach them at home, sunday school, mass etc etc.

Trust me I know how it feels. Although its a Muslim country but Xmas is celeberated with more fervor here than any of the Muslim holidays. Although officialy its not even a Holiday. But most staff are given days off or half days etc etc.

Just my 2cents.

[Brenda]

Nor did the Jews on here get wished a Happy Hannukah (sp? ), or was I wished a Happy Queensday (Dutch, not a religious day, yet a stat.). Who cares.


BTW, I don't think Christmas is solely for the Christians. It's a stat, if it was solely for Christians, it wouldn't be considered that.

[ShepherdsDog]

Christmas is HUGE in Japan, even though only 1% of the population claims to be Christian. DD, you do realize that the X in Xmas comes from Χριστός(Kristos) which is Greek for Christ. I don't know why so many people get upset with the term Xmas. Christmas is for the family now, rather a simple religious festival and the only spirit anyone comes into contact with comes in a bottle. Oh, by the way Happy Hanukkah to any Jewish members. You've still got a few more nights.

[Brenda]

ShepherdsDog wrote:

Christmas is HUGE in Japan, even though only 1% of the population claims to be Christian.

That's interesting.
Knowing next to nothing about Japan, what do they believe in?

[desertdude]

Shinto I'm assuming

[Gunnair]

I don't think we need to polarize the sides further. Religious folk and non-religious folk are already at a gulf with an inability to live and let live. Too many on either side have a need to pontificate in an effort to convert the other.
XMas is become (for Canada) a winter tradition with eggnog, giftgiving, and family squabbles. Why shouldn't the secularists have to endure that with everyone else?

[desertdude]

And no I didn't know what the X stood for but I think I do know what Kristo means which the word Christ is derived from. The annoited one

[EyeBrock]

I don't think you have to be a bible-thumping Christian to enjoy Christmas.

It has expanded to being celebrated by many different cultures and countries. I suppose it's a measure of our culture's success around the globe. A culture that still is mainly Christian.

I do object to it being renamed 'Holiday' though. Whatever Christmas has become, it's still Christmas.

[ASLplease]

i think that in order for the politically correct to be fair and objective they need to stop telling us to refrain from christian traditions and christian greetings during a christian holiday.

otherwise, i find them very offensive

[Brenda]

EyeBrock wrote:

I don't think you have to be a bible-thumping Christian to enjoy Christmas.

It has expanded to being celebrated by many different cultures and countries. I suppose it's a measure of our culture's success around the globe. A culture that still is mainly Christian.

I do object to it being renamed 'Holiday' though. Whatever Christmas has become, it's still Christmas.

I agree. It's CHRISTMAS. Unless we are going to rename everything (hmmm, what should Canada-day become then... "happy whereeveryouarefrom-day"? ), Christmas is still Christmas. Regardless of of your personal meaning.

[desertdude]

happy whereeveryouarefrom-day LOOOOL !

Shhhh! becarefull, you never know where the PC crowd is trawling !

[ASLplease]

EyeBrock wrote:

I don't think you have to be a bible-thumping Christian to enjoy Christmas.

It has expanded to being celebrated by many different cultures and countries. I suppose it's a measure of our culture's success around the globe. A culture that still is mainly Christian.

I do object to it being renamed 'Holiday' though. Whatever Christmas has become, it's still Christmas.

if the right for various cultures to celebrate christmas is so important, then we need to stop telling canadian how to celebrate christmas. anything less would be reverse discrimination.