[Schleihauf]

What happens when we die? Is there life after death or does consciousness just end?

I myself believe in the whole heaven/hell thing but what do you believe?

[Tman1]

I believe in reincarnation. Except the fallacy of that belief is that you can be reincarnated into something worse than what you were before.

There is also the "happiness" after death, kind of like heaven except that you are in your own fantasy world, where you can go back in life to correct wrongs or do anything you want. Of course that seems pretty fantasyish.

Other than that, there is always *poof* ceasing to exist. And the fallacy of that theory is that what would be the point in existing in the first place if you just cease to exist afterwards?

[Blue_Nose]

Tman1 wrote:

Other than that, there is always *poof* ceasing to exist. And the fallacy of that theory is that what would be the point in existing in the first place if you just cease to exist afterwards?

You're trying to justify the validity of the theory based on your appreciation for its consequences... just because you can't see the "point" in existing if our souls don't live on, doesn't make it any less plausible.

I'm against the notion that we "cease to exist" though - did WW1 "cease to exist" a century ago? Did Einstein "cease to exist" in the 50s? Did Beethoven cease to exist in the 1800s? etc etc etc

Read Slaughterhouse Five

[Tman1]

Blue_Nose wrote:

You're trying to justify the validity of the theory based on your appreciation for its consequences... just because you can't see the "point" in existing if our souls don't live on, doesn't make it any less plausible.

First, I don't understand what you mean here. That isn't one of my favourite theories, nor justifiying anything. Merely pointing that particular theory out and its flaw.

Second,

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I'm against the notion that we "cease to exist" though - did WW1 "cease to exist" a century ago? Did Einstein "cease to exist" in the 50s? Did Beethoven cease to exist in the 1800s? etc etc etc

I don't clearly understand this either. WWI existed because of historical records and living veterans. How is this the afterlife? Of course nobody is going to know that until they die.

All of those people ceased to exist because they are dead. What they are doing now, remains to be seen or perhaps never known.

What I mean is that people existed but after they die, do they cease to have any sort of thought or being? Do we vanish and our subconcious is gone?

[Tricks]

Oh man, now we get into some trippy thought provoking shit.

[Mika]

hahaha, well I love the human thought where we live/preoccupy life in order to discover death, quite ironic. Personally I do not care much for any religion at all and the whole death thing, it will come as it must and what happens after will reveal itself on at that time, therefore the future.

But

For the sake of the topic I'm going to go with my favorite one. This is from one of the scandinavian countries, you die, if you were a warrior(of course self proclaiming myself as one) you go to some place where you battle all day, you eat all evening and you have a "wanking" good time at night with the ladies of course.

[Blue_Nose]

Tman1 wrote:

Blue_Nose wrote:

You're trying to justify the validity of the theory based on your appreciation for its consequences... just because you can't see the "point" in existing if our souls don't live on, doesn't make it any less plausible.

First, I don't understand what you mean here. That isn't one of my favourite theories, nor justifiying anything. Merely pointing that particular theory out and its flaw.

I'm saying that because you don't like the idea that we have no "point" to our lives doesn't make the idea that there's no afterlife flawed.

In other words, just because a lot of people take their life purpose from a belief in the afterlife doesn't make it real.

Tman1 wrote:

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I'm against the notion that we "cease to exist" though - did WW1 "cease to exist" a century ago? Did Einstein "cease to exist" in the 50s? Did Beethoven cease to exist in the 1800s? etc etc etc

I don't clearly understand this either. WWI existed because of historical records and living veterans. How is this the afterlife? Of course nobody is going to know that until they die.

All of those people ceased to exist because they are dead. What they are doing now, remains to be seen or perhaps never known.

What I mean is that people existed but after they die, do they cease to have any sort of thought or being? Do we vanish and our subconcious is gone?

You missed the point, and that's that your interpretation of "existence" is narrow-minded.

Saying that I don't happen to 'exist' 200 years from now is as irrelevant as saying I don't happen to exist in China, or on Jupiter - you exist, period, and I exist, period.

[Tman1]

Blue_Nose wrote:

I'm saying that because you don't like the idea that we have no "point" to our lives doesn't make the idea that there's no afterlife flawed.

In other words, just because a lot of people take their life purpose from a belief in the afterlife doesn't make it real.

All I stated was the theory and what *I* thought would be a flaw in it. If you don't find a flaw in not having an "afterlife" after you die, fine. Goes back down to the point of living. Why live when you perish like a fart in the wind after? There has to be some point to living.

There are a lot of beliefs in the afterlife. Which one is real?

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You missed the point, and that's that your interpretation of "existence" is narrow-minded.

Saying that I don't happen to 'exist' 200 years from now is as irrelevant as saying I don't happen to exist in China, or on Jupiter - you exist, period, and I exist, period.

Well, if I missed your point, you didn't present it very well. Everybody's "interpretation" of existance is narrow-minded, including yours. Otherwise we would have people who actually knew what the afterlife entailed.

Actually it isn't irrelevant. You don't exist on Jupiter, you don't exist in China and most likely you won't exist 200 years from now unless you know the location of the fountain of youth.

[Tricks]

As long as someone remember us, or we have some sort of item that keeps us known (a picture, a diary, anything) then we exist.

[Tman1]

Wait, forgot another theory. Our subconcious or soul if you call it floats around the universe to learn its secrets finding other alien races.

[Tman1]

Tricks wrote:

As long as someone remember us, or we have some sort of item that keeps us known (a picture, a diary, anything) then we exist.

We call that history.

[Blue_Nose]

Tman1 wrote:

There has to be some point to living.

Why does there "have" to be a point?

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You missed the point, and that's that your interpretation of "existence" is narrow-minded.

Tman1 wrote:

Actually it isn't irrelevant. You don't exist on Jupiter, you don't exist in China and most likely you won't exist 200 years from now unless you know the location of the fountain of youth.

Yes, but you and I still exist, whether it's now or 200 years from now, here or Jupiter. You exist in a certain number of places and a certain number of times, and pointing to one particular time or place in which you or I don't happen to exist doesn't mean anything - You might as well say I cease to exist anywhere above my head, or beneath my toes... what does that actually mean? Nothing.

The point of all this metaphysical mumbo-jumbo is that you are a part of time as much as you're a part of space. Just because you can't "exist" in all time doesn't make your life any less significant than the fact that you can't "exist" in all places.

[Mika]

Well as you don't know what happens after life, in the afterlife then who is to say that one is write or one is wrong, their could be no afterlife, there could be one, all that really matters is that the person which you are exists as you know you exist, that around you is left to your judgement but do to the effect all that is around him has on him, it means that we all exist and live at the present and there is no contendment(i dont even know if thats a word, hahaha) to that.

[Tricks]

Tman1 wrote:

Tricks wrote:

As long as someone remember us, or we have some sort of item that keeps us known (a picture, a diary, anything) then we exist.

We call that history.

Precisely. Hitler will never cease to exist.

How about Jungian theory? Now THAT is trippy shit. That past experiences are passed down in our concience when we are born and we are all connected within a collective unconcious. Seriously, if you haven't read this, and you want some double you tee eff shit, read it. Your head will esplode.

[Blue_Nose]

How's this for trippy shit: With my new avatar/signature combo, the longer I write, the farther my head moves away from my body.... I think there's some spiritual significance to that