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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:07 pm
 


http://catholiclane.com/why-young-men-a ... -marriage/

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Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.

“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.

She points out that for the first time in US history, the number of women in the workforce has surpassed the number of men, while more women than men are acquiring university degrees.

“The problem? This new phenomenon has changed the dance between men and women,” Venker wrote. With feminism pushing them out of their traditional role of breadwinner, protector and provider – and divorce laws increasingly creating a dangerously precarious financial prospect for the men cut loose from marriage – men are simply no longer finding any benefit in it.

As a writer and researcher into the trends of marriage and relationships, Venker said, she has “accidentally stumbled upon a subculture” of men who say “in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married.”

“When I ask them why, the answer is always the same: women aren’t women anymore.” Feminism, which teaches women to think of men as the enemy, has made women “angry” and “defensive, though often unknowingly.”

“Now the men have nowhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry.”

“Men are tired,” Venker wrote. “Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.”

Feminism and the sexual revolution have simply made marriage “obsolete” for women as a social and economic refuge, but this is a situation that should not be celebrated by feminists, Venker says.

“It’s the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature they’re forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.”

A cross section of research data from the Pew Research Center for the last months of 2012 shows the alarming trends for marriage and child-bearing in the US. One report published in mid-December said that the latest census data showed “barely half” of all adults in the United States are currently married, a “record low”. Since 1960, the number of married adults has decreased from 72 percent to 51 today and the number of new marriages in the U.S. declined by five percent between 2009 and 2010.

Moreover, the median age at first marriage continues to rise with women getting married the first time at 26.5 years and men at 28.7. The declines in marriage are “most dramatic” among young adults. Just 20 percent of those aged 18 to 29 are married, compared with 59 percent in 1960.

“If current trends continue, the share of adults who are currently married will drop to below half within a few years,” the report said.

Moreover, the link between marriage and childrearing has become disconnected in the minds of the so-called Millennial generation, those between 18 and 29. While 52 percent of Millennials say being a good parent is “one of the most important things” in life, just 30 per cent say the same about having a successful marriage, an attitudinal survey found.

The gap, of 22 percentage points, between the value Millennials place on parenthood over marriage, was just 7 points in 1997. The research found that Millennials, many of whom are the children of divorce and single-parenthood themselves, are also less likely than their elders to say that a child needs both a father and mother at home, that single parenthood and unmarried couple parenthood are bad for society.


This is interesting as I recall a couple of the young ladies on this site have posted to the effect that they ended up with older men because of the dearth of young men either interested or suited for marriage.


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This is interesting as I recall a couple of the young ladies on this site have posted to the effect that they ended up with older men because of the dearth of young men either interested or suited for marriage.


That's a definite problem in society. I'm older, single, have 2 newer cars and a house, established career, like long walks on the beach . . . I definitely am looking to settle down and stop the 'Cheap Hooker Fridays'. But younger (30s and under) women stopped looking at me a long time ago. Hence . . . Cheap Hooker Fridays.

And if I get caught looking, I'm a dirty 'old' man. Strange, because I feel no different that I did when I was 20.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:22 pm
 


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Strange, because I feel no different that I did when I was 20.


You, too? I feel fine running up the stairs at the office but I'll say that it's always a shocker to look in the mirror as a 25 year old guy and see that old b@stard looking back at me! :lol:

Oh, and Dr. C? It's time to move up to a better class of hookers. :lol:


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Not really suprising more young are starting to wake up to the fact that marriage is generally a really bad deal for them if things don't work out. Divorce laws, custody issues, reproductive rights almost always favour women. Infact I was a young man today I'd be a hard core MGTOW (men going their own way), and there would be no way I'd even consider shacking up with a woman, no kids, no marriage. With all that and divorce rates at 50% it's a no brainer for a young man who realizes well sure things maybe fine now but what if in ten years down the road she gets 'bored' and leaves. Being bored is all it takes these days to break up a marriage.

Bill Burr put it best : If a parachute instructor told you your chute has 50% chance of opening, would you jump ? Sure I would where's the line up for a chance to loose half my shit while I'm at it.

This Chick is awesome btw. She's a Canuck from BC and a MRA.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:37 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Strange, because I feel no different that I did when I was 20.


You, too? I feel fine running up the stairs at the office but I'll say that it's always a shocker to look in the mirror as a 25 year old guy and see that old b@stard looking back at me! :lol:

Oh, and Dr. C? It's time to move up to a better class of hookers. :lol:


Yea, the hair is starting to go white in places, but I think I've earned it. I run down the stairs, but up 10 flights is a little too much. ;) (old injury, long story) Although there are a couple guys on my team that have a noon hour contest as to who can run up then down all 14 flights of our building the fastest. PDT_Armataz_01_23

And, cheap hookers need lovin' too! ;) :lol:

But if all those young stallions would prefer to sit in mom's basement and play video games, I'd be more than happy to take a pretty little thing or two off their minds. I just have to be careful that I'm younger than their Dad. Could be awkward.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:39 pm
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Strange, because I feel no different that I did when I was 20.


Tell me about it. And my dad--getting on to 80 now--says the same thing.

I'm actually a little pissed by feminists too. I had a few run-ins with them in school, and just found them a bitter, distrustful lot, generally speaking. I was going out with a female engineer at the time, and she had to listen to these feminists (who were generally enrolled in the 100% female Women's Studies program) tell my girlfriend (enrolled in an 85% male engineering program) that she was an unwitting victim of the nasty sexist engineers. Who was the one cuttiong the path--my girlfriend making her way in the male-dominated, boorish engineers, or the feminsist surrounded all day by people who thought just like them?

I still don't like that the "male" virtues of competition and self-reliance have been made vices, and that boys in schools are treated as dysfunctional girls.

All that said though, this writer is missing the point about marriage. Yes women work now--and you can blame the capitalists as much as the feminists for that one, thank you very much. And yes, divorce rates are sky-high and the legal system is shamelessly biased to women in custody cases.

But all that said, I'm in love and have a best friend to raise my kids with and grow old with. And that, my friends, will never go out of style.


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Not really suprising more young are starting to wake up to the fact that marriage is generally a really bad deal for them if things don't work out. Divorce laws, custody issues, reproductive rights almost always favour women. Infact I was a young man today I'd be a hard core MGTOW (men going their own way), and there would be no way I'd even consider shacking up with a woman, no kids, no marriage. With all that and divorce rates at 50% it's a no brainer for a young man who realizes well sure things maybe fine now but what if in ten years down the road she gets 'bored' and leaves. Being bored is all it takes these days to break up a marriage.

Bill Burr put it best : If a parachute instructor told you your chute has 50% chance of opening, would you jump ? Sure I would where's the line up for a chance to loose half my shit while I'm at it.



After coming home to an empty house for the last 20 years, I'd take the chance and jump.


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Guess I'm the lucky one then eh ? Although I married a cougar ! 8O


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Bodah Bodah:
Not really suprising more young are starting to wake up to the fact that marriage is generally a really bad deal for them if things don't work out. Divorce laws, custody issues, reproductive rights almost always favour women. Infact I was a young man today I'd be a hard core MGTOW (men going their own way), and there would be no way I'd even consider shacking up with a woman, no kids, no marriage. With all that and divorce rates at 50% it's a no brainer for a young man who realizes well sure things maybe fine now but what if in ten years down the road she gets 'bored' and leaves. Being bored is all it takes these days to break up a marriage.

Bill Burr put it best : If a parachute instructor told you your chute has 50% chance of opening, would you jump ? Sure I would where's the line up for a chance to loose half my shit while I'm at it.



After coming home to an empty house for the last 20 years, I'd take the chance and jump.


Not me. There's nothing wrong with keeping to yourself. And there's a massive difference between "loner" and "lonely". Hooking up with some ball-breaking psychopath that'll shred your bank account and "rip your soul apart" (see "Hellraiser") isn't worth it in the slightest.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Bodah Bodah:
Not really suprising more young are starting to wake up to the fact that marriage is generally a really bad deal for them if things don't work out. Divorce laws, custody issues, reproductive rights almost always favour women. Infact I was a young man today I'd be a hard core MGTOW (men going their own way), and there would be no way I'd even consider shacking up with a woman, no kids, no marriage. With all that and divorce rates at 50% it's a no brainer for a young man who realizes well sure things maybe fine now but what if in ten years down the road she gets 'bored' and leaves. Being bored is all it takes these days to break up a marriage.

Bill Burr put it best : If a parachute instructor told you your chute has 50% chance of opening, would you jump ? Sure I would where's the line up for a chance to loose half my shit while I'm at it.



After coming home to an empty house for the last 20 years, I'd take the chance and jump.



The only decent women left are the Central / East Europeans.

If it was me, I would go shopping there, but be careful.


The good ones are really good, but the bad ones will fuck your life
much worse than any Canadian woman could ever dream of. 8O



Or maybe Chinese, there could be a few still raised the traditional way.


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Wow, I knew it was getting bad, but I never realised how much so!

I always thought the young guys at my office were blowing smoke up my skirt, when it appears that they are bang on.


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But all that said, I'm in love and have a best friend to raise my kids with and grow old with. And that, my friends, will never go out of style.
Good Man!


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Strange, because I feel no different that I did when I was 20.




But all that said, I'm in love and have a best friend to raise my kids with and grow old with. And that, my friends, will never go out of style.


Agreed! [B-o]

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The only decent women left are the Central / East Europeans.

If it was me, I would go shopping there, but be careful.

The good ones are really good, but the bad ones will fuck your life
much worse than any Canadian woman could ever dream of. 8O

Or maybe Chinese, there could be a few still raised the traditional way.


Appreciate the advice, you might be on to something though. I do have someone special, who recently became a grandma. 8O

Great woman, and she's Polish. ;) Might be shackin' up, we've been considering it for about 10 years. We'll see how it goes.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
http://catholiclane.com/why-young-men-are-giving-up-on-marriage/

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Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Suzanne Venker’s article, “The War on Men,” which appeared on the website of Fox News in late November, has become a lodestone for feminist writers who have attacked her position that the institution of marriage is threatened, not enhanced, by the supposed gains of the feminist movement over the last 50 years.

“Where have all the good (meaning marriageable) men gone?” is a question much talked about lately in the secular media, Venker says, but her answer, backed up by statistics, is not to the liking of mainstream commentators influenced by feminism.

She points out that for the first time in US history, the number of women in the workforce has surpassed the number of men, while more women than men are acquiring university degrees.

“The problem? This new phenomenon has changed the dance between men and women,” Venker wrote. With feminism pushing them out of their traditional role of breadwinner, protector and provider – and divorce laws increasingly creating a dangerously precarious financial prospect for the men cut loose from marriage – men are simply no longer finding any benefit in it.

As a writer and researcher into the trends of marriage and relationships, Venker said, she has “accidentally stumbled upon a subculture” of men who say “in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married.”

“When I ask them why, the answer is always the same: women aren’t women anymore.” Feminism, which teaches women to think of men as the enemy, has made women “angry” and “defensive, though often unknowingly.”

“Now the men have nowhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry.”

“Men are tired,” Venker wrote. “Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.”

Feminism and the sexual revolution have simply made marriage “obsolete” for women as a social and economic refuge, but this is a situation that should not be celebrated by feminists, Venker says.

“It’s the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature they’re forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.”

A cross section of research data from the Pew Research Center for the last months of 2012 shows the alarming trends for marriage and child-bearing in the US. One report published in mid-December said that the latest census data showed “barely half” of all adults in the United States are currently married, a “record low”. Since 1960, the number of married adults has decreased from 72 percent to 51 today and the number of new marriages in the U.S. declined by five percent between 2009 and 2010.

Moreover, the median age at first marriage continues to rise with women getting married the first time at 26.5 years and men at 28.7. The declines in marriage are “most dramatic” among young adults. Just 20 percent of those aged 18 to 29 are married, compared with 59 percent in 1960.

“If current trends continue, the share of adults who are currently married will drop to below half within a few years,” the report said.

Moreover, the link between marriage and childrearing has become disconnected in the minds of the so-called Millennial generation, those between 18 and 29. While 52 percent of Millennials say being a good parent is “one of the most important things” in life, just 30 per cent say the same about having a successful marriage, an attitudinal survey found.

The gap, of 22 percentage points, between the value Millennials place on parenthood over marriage, was just 7 points in 1997. The research found that Millennials, many of whom are the children of divorce and single-parenthood themselves, are also less likely than their elders to say that a child needs both a father and mother at home, that single parenthood and unmarried couple parenthood are bad for society.


This is interesting as I recall a couple of the young ladies on this site have posted to the effect that they ended up with older men because of the dearth of young men either interested or suited for marriage.



I am also young boy now.


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