[sandorski]

commanderkai wrote:

sandorski wrote:

Fail. To Debate GW at this point is akin to debating 2+2=4.

Wow. Basically I'm getting here is "Don't question authority, we're always right. Hail Big Brother!"

Not at all, go ahead Question. Just don't expect the truly Busy to pay any attention as they are Working for solutions.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Parents will do what they need to do, the Children may not understand and may even think the Parents Wrong, but the Parents need to do it anyway. In time most of the Children will understand.

[PluggyRug]

sandorski wrote:

commanderkai wrote:

sandorski wrote:

Fail. To Debate GW at this point is akin to debating 2+2=4.

Wow. Basically I'm getting here is "Don't question authority, we're always right. Hail Big Brother!"

Not at all, go ahead Question. Just don't expect the truly Busy to pay any attention as they are Working for solutions.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Parents will do what they need to do, the Children may not understand and may even think the Parents Wrong, but the Parents need to do it anyway. In time most of the Children will understand.

It actually reads as below.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Children will do what they need to do, the Parents may not understand and may even think the Children Wrong, but the Children need to do it anyway. In time most of the Parents will understand.

[commanderkai]

sandorski wrote:

commanderkai wrote:

sandorski wrote:

Fail. To Debate GW at this point is akin to debating 2+2=4.

Wow. Basically I'm getting here is "Don't question authority, we're always right. Hail Big Brother!"

Not at all, go ahead Question. Just don't expect the truly Busy to pay any attention as they are Working for solutions.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Parents will do what they need to do, the Children may not understand and may even think the Parents Wrong, but the Parents need to do it anyway. In time most of the Children will understand.

Exactly. Parents will do what they need/want to do, like gamble their children College fund in Vegas at the Craps table, the kids might think that the parents are wrong, or may not understand the parents actions, but the parents must gamble all that money on OO anyway

[sandorski]

PluggyRug wrote:

sandorski wrote:

commanderkai wrote:

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Wow. Basically I'm getting here is "Don't question authority, we're always right. Hail Big Brother!"

Not at all, go ahead Question. Just don't expect the truly Busy to pay any attention as they are Working for solutions.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Parents will do what they need to do, the Children may not understand and may even think the Parents Wrong, but the Parents need to do it anyway. In time most of the Children will understand.

It actually reads as below.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Children will do what they need to do, the Parents may not understand and may even think the Children Wrong, but the Children need to do it anyway. In time most of the Parents will understand.

Don't be a Parent.

[N_Fiddledog]

Those who say "the science is settled", or "the debate is over" in spite of mounting evidence to the contrary are either pitifully naive, working the scam, or brainwashed.

I notice as the real world evidence becomes more and more clear saying there is no reason to fear a coming crisis of man-made warming, the arguments for alarmism are becoming more shrill, and there is an unreasoned demand for increasingly nutty controls developing.

Have you seen this one yet? There's a coming movement to label skepicism as a psychological disorder. This of course (if accepted) will demand the compassionate elite, control the growing plague of non-conformism.

Quote:

This weekend, the University of West England is hosting a major conference on climate change denial. Strikingly, it’s being organised by the university’s Centre for Psycho-Social Studies. It will be a gathering of those from the top of society – ‘psychotherapists, social researchers, climate change activists, eco-psychologists’ – who will analyse those at the bottom of society, as if we were so many flitting, irrational amoeba under an eco-microscope. The organisers say the conference will explore how ‘denial’ is a product of both ‘addiction and consumption’ and is the ‘consequence of living in a perverse culture which encourages collusion, complacency and irresponsibility’ (1). It is a testament to the dumbed-down, debate-phobic nature of the modern academy that a conference is being held not to explore ideas – to interrogate, analyse and fight over them – but to tag them as perverse.

Leading green writers have welcomed the West England get-together to study the denying masses. One eco-columnist says the conference might generate ideas for dealing with those who are ‘pathologically’ opposed to the environmental movement (pathology, according to my OED, is the study of ‘morbid or abnormal mental or moral conditions’) (2). Environmentalists recognise the inherent elitism of saying that, while they brave few can see things clearly, the rest of us are somehow disordered (greens are the ‘watchful ones amongst the slaves’, according to one environmentalist writer); yet they seem unashamed. The eco-columnist says this weekend’s conference will be useful because where ‘mainstream politics now largely “gets” environmentalism’, there is still a sceptical mass, ‘a baying and growing crowd, largely consisting of people resistant to the prospect of ever having to alter their lifestyles’.

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The labelling of those who question certain scientific ideas or green ways of life as ‘deniers’, ‘addicts’ and ‘reptiles’ with a ‘baffling’ inability to understand The Science and act accordingly has a deeply censorious bent. If ‘climate change denial’ is a form of mass denial and self-deception, a fundamentally psychological disorder, then there is no need to engage in a meaningful public debate; instead people just need to be treated. Thus the Ecologist says ‘denial cannot simply be countered with information’; indeed there is apparently ‘plentiful historical evidence that increased information may even intensify denial’ (9). The respected British think-tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research, goes so far as to insist that ‘the task of climate change agencies is not to persuade by rational argument but in effect to develop and nurture a new “common sense”’ (10). This is the logical conclusion to treating disagreement as ‘denial’ and dissent as a ‘disorder’: no debate, no real information, just an insidious demand to change The Culture in order to relax the wrong side of our brains or to inject us with a new commonsensical outlook.

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Psychologising dissent, and refusing to recognise, much less engage with, the substance of people’s disagreements – their political objections, their rational criticisms, their desire to do things differently – is the hallmark of authoritarian regimes. In the Soviet Union, outspoken critics of the ruling party were frequently tagged as mentally disordered and faced, as one Soviet dissident described it, ‘political exile to mental institutions’ (11). There they would be treated with narcotics, tranquillisers and even electric shock therapy. In George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four, O’Brien, the torturer in Room 101, offers to cure our hero Winston Smith of his anti-party thinking. ‘You are mentally deranged!’ he tells him. Today the word ‘Orwellian’ is massively overused, to describe everything from fingerprint library cards to supermarket loyalty cards, but treating your dissenters as deranged? That really is Orwellian, and we should declare permanent war against it.

Full Article Here

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sandorski wrote:

PluggyRug wrote:

sandorski wrote:

Not at all, go ahead Question. Just don't expect the truly Busy to pay any attention as they are Working for solutions.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Parents will do what they need to do, the Children may not understand and may even think the Parents Wrong, but the Parents need to do it anyway. In time most of the Children will understand.

It actually reads as below.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Children will do what they need to do, the Parents may not understand and may even think the Children Wrong, but the Children need to do it anyway. In time most of the Parents will understand.

Don't be a Parent.

Well I am a parent and as such will question all those who seek to brainwash my children into a nonexistent belief.

[mtbr]

sandorski wrote:

Not at all, go ahead Question. Just don't expect the truly Busy to pay any attention as they are Working for solutions.

truly busy dreaming up more doom and gloom so they can suck people in for research grants.

[sandorski]

PluggyRug wrote:

sandorski wrote:

PluggyRug wrote:

It actually reads as below.

Yes, it's like a Parent/Child relationship at this point. The Children will do what they need to do, the Parents may not understand and may even think the Children Wrong, but the Children need to do it anyway. In time most of the Parents will understand.

Don't be a Parent.

Well I am a parent and as such will question all those who seek to brainwash my children into a nonexistent belief.

Fail. You don't need to Brainwash, hell you don't even need to deal with this subject, but where you really Fail is in not seeing my little example as legit. You must know there are things you simply Do that your Child does not understand.

[commanderkai]

sandorski wrote:

Fail. You don't need to Brainwash, hell you don't even need to deal with this subject, but where you really Fail is in not seeing my little example as legit. You must know there are things you simply Do that your Child does not understand.

The only problem with your example is you assume that the Parent is correct, when parents are just as flawed as children, but usually the errors of children have no consequences, while the errors of parents can affect the child future

[sandorski]

commanderkai wrote:

sandorski wrote:

Fail. You don't need to Brainwash, hell you don't even need to deal with this subject, but where you really Fail is in not seeing my little example as legit. You must know there are things you simply Do that your Child does not understand.

The only problem with your example is you assume that the Parent is correct, when parents are just as flawed as children, but usually the errors of children have no consequences, while the errors of parents can affect the child future

No. I assume that Parents know more than their Children. If they don't, the Children are screwed for life.

[PluggyRug]

sandorski wrote:

Fail. You don't need to Brainwash, hell you don't even need to deal with this subject, but where you really Fail is in not seeing my little example as legit. You must know there are things you simply Do that your Child does not understand.

The fact that you assume your example is legit is failure in the extreme.

Not being able to see past alarmist rhetoric puts you in the failed category.