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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:53 am
 


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Or, you could read the article where it says she HAD to have the phone on and with her 24/7. The "leave it at work option" wasn't an option.
And there's a world of difference between tracking company vehicles and tracking an employee during non-work hours.


Than it's the requirement of the job. If you don't like it, quit.

It's the requirement of the job for her to be tracked 24/7? Don't you think these "requirements" should be made known to employees before hiring them?

Having a company phone and having to keep it on you at all times is one thing. Being forced to download a tracking app so your boss can keep tabs on you 24/7/365 is not a requirement for any normal job. Regardless of what some jackass employer thinks.

I agree in this particular case. Why does the company need to track her 24/7 if they are not paying her 24/7? There's the level of privacy I don't think the company has a right to.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 12:06 pm
 


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She wasn't being tracked. Her phone was being tracked. She was required to have the phone on at all times. That doesn't mean you can't leave it at home or put it on silent when you're in bed.


If she was required to have the phone at all times adn the phone was being tracked, then she's beign tracked. And why would carrying an employer's phone when you're on your own time be a "requirement" for the job? I'd say if you're not getting paid, it's pretty legitimate to tell your employer that you're not going to babysit they're property on your own time.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 12:20 pm
 


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It's the same if you're driving a company vehicle and the gps tracks it outside the nudie bar.


But that's the question. If you are off the clock, do they have the right to care you are at the nudie bar?

If you are driving a company vehicle yes, if you are using a company phone and email for taking pictures and videos sharing them while at the nudie bar yes.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 12:49 pm
 


Hate to say it but I'm on the employer's side here....within limits.

It's within the employer's rights to know where their equipment is. Sure, knowing where the equipment is presumably reveals where the employee is - but only if the employee has brought the equipment with them. Believe it or not, most employers would probably prefer that you not the use the company laptop/blackberry/car on your personal time or for personal reasons. So if you're off the clock, I say just power that shit off and don't take it places where you don't want them to know where you are. If the employee is only using said equipment while on the job, then it's within the employer's right to know where the employee is anyway since they're paying him for that time.

Employers probably aren't going to know the GPS coordinates of the nudie bar (or any other place of business) so it's a moot point. But even in the day before computers, if you're in work uniform or driving the company car with a logo on it, employers would prohibit you from going places or doing things that could reflect on the company and they have a right to punish you for parking the company truck at the nudie bar and getting a lapdance in the company uniform. So nothing really new here.

The above said, I don't think employers do or should have unlimited rights to surveil their workers by any means they see fit. The company should have to advise the workers of exactly what they watch and there should be a reasonable explanation for why. Things like computer keyloggers are way over the line. If an employer wants to do anything beyond very basic "spot check" type monitoring (e.g. pinging a truck's GPS once a day, or downloading speeding data monthly) then they should have to apply for permission from the Ministry of Labour or perhaps the Privacy Commissioner. And in order to get approval, they should have to outline who they want to surveil, what data will be collected, how it will be stored, when it will be destroyed and why it is needed in the first place.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:20 pm
 


Some jobs require an employee to be on call 24/7 and if the employee does not have a cell phone or their cell phone is broken then a company one is provided. For me I'm the on call supervisor 4-6 months a year I have my own phone and respond immediately when called. There has been times when my phone was not working and I had the work phone.

I see nothing wrong with the company tracking the work phone when I have it. It is their property after all. Seems to me there could be a compromise. Sense she holds a position that requires her to be within phone contact of the business. She can use her phone and make the number known to those who would need to call.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:44 pm
 


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Some jobs require an employee to be on call 24/7 and if the employee does not have a cell phone or their cell phone is broken then a company one is provided. For me I'm the on call supervisor 4-6 months a year I have my own phone and respond immediately when called. There has been times when my phone was not working and I had the work phone.

I see nothing wrong with the company tracking the work phone when I have it. It is their property after all. Seems to me there could be a compromise. Sense she holds a position that requires her to be within phone contact of the business. She can use her phone and make the number known to those who would need to call.


Same, but I was being paid stand-by while on call, so I had no problem. When I wasn't being paid the phone stayed at work.


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Though I do not get paid to be on call I do get other benefits that pay off in the long run. Including a nice pay raise for doing it.


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Though I do not get paid to be on call I do get other benefits that pay off in the long run. Including a nice pay raise for doing it.


Depends on what "on call" means. For me, it was something they had to pay me for, because the response had to be quite quick (call back within ten minutes, even at 3:00 in the morning) and on a bad week you'd be looking at thirty or forty calls. Also couldn't leave town and always had to be within minutes of a vehicle.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 4:12 pm
 


Half of the time, my boss doesn't even know where I am when I'm at work. :D


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:36 am
 


Was it simpler or more complicated back when, not so long ago, before the cell phone and pager age, when we weren't at work or home that we were simply unreachable?

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Oh it was just awful. If there was an emergency they had to telephone me at home.
And because I lived rural, and there were party line phones they had to subsidize my line for $85 a month in mileage charges for a private line.
Worse, if they called they had to pay overtime, this bizarre, elitist, socialist concept that if they wanted you to do work after hours they had to pay you for it. Even worse, in order not to have to drive all the way downtown, get a work truck from the compound to use and return it afterwards, they let me take the work truck home! And I got paid enough to have my own vehicle for private use, so tracking it wouldn't have meant shit.
Thank God we've progressed. As I said to my 28 year old daughter who just got promoted to manager after 7 years - you'll now make almost as much money as I did when you were born.
BTW she didn't get the promotion because she has a medical issue. They don't even have to try to hide that kind of bullshit anymore now they've got rid of unions and gutted the Labour Code enforcement....


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:18 pm
 


Strutz wrote:
Was it simpler or more complicated back when, not so long ago, before the cell phone and pager age, when we weren't at work or home that we were simply unreachable?

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I had a pager....turned it off when it was my time.
I have a cellphone....voicemail if it isn't friends or family outside working hours.


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