[stemmer]

Bob Lutz claims Global Warming a "total crock of sh*t". Nice to see someone stick their neck out and challenge Gore on his global warming lunacy... Lutz may very well be my next hero...

http://www.fquick.com/blog/Bob_Lutz__Gl ... sh_t_/1299

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GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz is fully behind development of Chevrolet's aggressive Volt plug-in hybrid, but not for the same reasons as many environmentalists. Mr. Lutz — GM's go-to man for one-liners and candid opinion — had some choice words against the claim of global warming.

"Global warming is a total crock of shit.â€

[sasquatch2]

An objective analysis of the CO2 AGW campaign/agenda shows how cleverly with inuendo and insubstantiated smears they managed to suppress dissent for so long.

This political campaign was pursued with more vigour and expertise than the National Socialist seizure of power in 1930's Germany......but failed ultimately because they set their sights too high---global domination.

Bob Lutz brazen declaration of evidence that the environmentalist grip on the media and semi-successful intimidation of dissent from industry has been shattered.

CO2 AGW high water-mark was about April 2007. Bali was doomed before it began----it was already over. It is interesting to note that the highwater mark coincided with the Vatican conference on the environment and McIntyre and McItricks revue of NASA's GISS data.

[Blue_Nose]

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"I'm a skeptic, not a denier … I’m motivated more by the desire to replace imported oil than by the CO2."

I think this raises an important point - hype over CO2 may overshadow other more immediate issues that deserve our attention - pollution reduction, diversification of energy production, localization of production, and sustainability of production - all of these benefits would arise from moving away from fossil fuel use without ever considering the Global Warming debate, yet melting polar caps are all we hear about.

[fifeboy]

sasquatch2 wrote:

An objective analysis of the CO2 AGW campaign/agenda shows how cleverly with inuendo and insubstantiated smears they managed to suppress dissent for so long.

This political campaign was pursued with more vigour and expertise than the National Socialist seizure of power in 1930's Germany......but failed ultimately because they set their sights too high---global domination.

Bob Lutz brazen declaration of evidence that the environmentalist grip on the media and semi-successful intimidation of dissent from industry has been shattered.

CO2 AGW high water-mark was about April 2007. Bali was doomed before it began----it was already over. It is interesting to note that the highwater mark coincided with the Vatican conference on the environment and McIntyre and McItricks revue of NASA's GISS data.

Yep, this guy who has helped give GM a 38 something billion dollar loss last year is a real expert!


However, Lee Iacocca, a guy who knew something about running a business:

sasquatch2 wrote:

Lee Iacocca is about as impartial and non-partisan as kenmore.

The bitter anti-Bush rant and the homage paid to Bill Clinton tells it all.

Iacocca's 9 critiera do not apply to Clinton in any manner.

Underneath the mantle of non-partisan comment, it is in reality a blatant partisan address.

hwacker

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Tell Lee the K car is a POS and he's a old fart.

Agreed! The only thing the K-car did was keep Chrysler in business....supported by stupid brand loyalty.

I am not sure if I should use or

[sasquatch2]

fifeboy

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I am not sure if I should use or

No doubt! The arrival on the scene of science and the demise of the "Theory" and exposure of all the science-fiction political hoax....has left you without a compass.

[fifeboy]

sasquatch2 wrote:

fifeboy

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I am not sure if I should use or

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No doubt! The arrival on the scene of science and the demise of the "Theory" and exposure of all the science-fiction political hoax....has left you without a compass.

I don't know about you squatch, but in regards to the banana thing, I am a happly married man, perhaps you should approach hwacker As per science, I'm not sure you have much to back up your claim of hoax, just that a few scientists are now gathering data that shows that: a-global warming is not happening or b-it is occuring but its not man made.

[sasquatch2]

fifeboy

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........just that a few scientists are now gathering data....

Behave yourself! The consensus never existed. A consensus of politicized economists, computer modelers, and NGO activists is not a "scientific consensus.
In fact, the real climate scientists reject AGW theory and observations as junk scince or worse.
These people are not just now gathering data----they have just finally succeeded in being heard above the dim of propaganda by a media run agenda.

[fifeboy]

sasquatch2 wrote:

fifeboy

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........just that a few scientists are now gathering data....

Behave yourself! The consensus never existed. A consensus of politicized economists, computer modelers, and NGO activists is not a "scientific consensus.
In fact, the real climate scientists reject AGW theory and observations as junk scince or worse.
These people are not just now gathering data----they have just finally succeeded in being heard above the dim of propaganda by a media run agenda.

Thats not how it looks to most people.

[sasquatch2]

fifeboy

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Thats not how it looks to most people.

Most people cannot differentiate the difference between widespread propaganda and scientific fact.
How many could explain the difference between the holocene and a holograph?
Most have been deliberately confused that KYOTO has something to do with smog and clean water.

[fifeboy]

sasquatch2 wrote:

fifeboy

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Thats not how it looks to most people.

Most people cannot differentiate the difference between widespread propaganda and scientific fact.
How many could explain the difference between the holocene and a holograph?
Most have been deliberately confused that KYOTO has something to do with smog and clean water.

Come up with something new, that I can't get from one of your endless posts and I may listen.

[sandorski]

Which Scientific Journal will be publishing his Report and Data? Let the scientific community test and verify his findings. I look forward to the result.

[sasquatch2]

What this remark by Lutz is evidence that the successful tactic of smearing anti-AGW science as OIL FUNDED has lost it's grip.
The smear, unsupported by any evidence succeeded in silencing industry critics----clever manipulation.
I have been examining this HOAX/campaign from the get go and have come to the conclusion that the alarmist's field of expertise is not in climatology but communications science.
They nearly fooled ALL the people ALL the time but without a totalitarian society to assist them, they failed....although they did attempt on several occassions to fashion one. Suzuki's calls for jailing sceptics was just part of it.
Their early hold on the MSM was also defining and signifigant.
Their creation of the IPCC and mythical "consensus" was clever as well.

[xerxes]

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

Aldous Huxley,

[Benoit]

sasquatch2 wrote:

the alarmist's field of expertise is not in climatology but communications science.

You forget that the airwaves are not free as air.

[sasquatch2]

Benoit

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You forget that the airwaves are not free as air.

Not for a second...nor do the snake oil salesman Gore/Suzuki....who have cleverly managed free air time. BTW Gore does not put his money where his mouth is....or did you not hear of him using $4 million of his CC business profits to purchase a condo on fishermans wharf, in San Fransico---which would be worthless if his sea level claims really did come true?