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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:32 am
 


BeaverFever wrote:
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Anyone who can’t make badic inferences from context whenever someone doesn’t use the precise technical term wouldn’t have made it to university.


So you *interpreted* that as an insult.


Make up your mind. Do you want me to read deeper meanings into sentences that are absolutely clear, or do you want me to try to pan for nuggets of wisdom where you didn't intend any?

And yes. That's exactly what you did. By not seeing the hidden meaning in "I’m 41, I think I’ll see petrochemicals become a secondary energy source during my lifetime. ", I must not be smart enough for university was a pretty lame attempt at an insult. Git gud scrub.

If you didn't make your meaning clear in that sentence, own it Beave. Dragging this out for a couple more pages isn't going to make that sentence look any more factual. And I'm perfectly willing to drag this out for a few more pages, just to prolong the discomfort. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:22 pm
 


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Electric locomotives are already widely used in Europe and there is no reason why they could not be used in the US and Canada, especially if these two countries decide to modernize their rail systems with high speed rail.


1. High speed rail? In Canada? Really?

No, not really: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/h ... -1.4915058

2. As far as the US is concerned high speed rail is a raging clusterfuck. California pooched it big time with the costs ballooning from $9bn in 2008 to over $100bn today. And this past week the new Governor declared that the system will not be built out any further than the current phase that's under construction and due to be completed in just another fourteen years. :roll:

3. High speed rail is not going to occur across the USA or Canada due to the fact that the trains would be too slow and too expensive compared to airplanes.

4. Rail across the USA and Canada will never be electrified because neither country will pay the price to electrify 137,000 and 31,000 miles of rail (respectively).

5. Canada will never electrify its railroads for the same idiotic reasons you people can't build a fucking warship, fighter, airliner, or etc. Your politicians (any party) will so fuck up the plan that it will die on the vine but only after untold billions are squandered on the damn thing.

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We CANNOT within the course of this decade set a man on the surface of the moon abd return him safely to Earth. Let alone fight major war single-handed and guarantee civil rights at the same time.
It's EITHER jobs or the environment.

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We CANNOT within the course of this decade set a man on the surface of the moon abd return him safely to Earth. Let alone fight major war single-handed and guarantee civil rights at the same time.
It's EITHER jobs or the environment.

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Like Stairway to Heaven, you've heard it so many times for so fucking may years, you wanna PUKE when they still play it every two hours....


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1) Canada can build airliners, but only because the government perpetually props up the half-assed company that makes them with endless corporate welfare. Saving jobs or not, the sad reality of Canadian aerospace is that they can't make it on their own. Then again neither can the American companies, because without military contracts sustaining them outfits like Boeing would have disappeared a long time ago.

2) High-speed rail might be something better suited for temperate climates. Not sure the same benefits can be achieved in Canada that are in Britain, Japan, or France. They don't get our winters so the jury could be out on that one. Parts of the US could probably benefit from it but it seems stranded in stupidity thanks to the usual opposing sides, i.e. the eco-everything freaks vs the denialist nuts who would like to see cars run on coal. Doubt this will ever be rationally solved simply because the participants don't want it to be.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:37 pm
 


herbie wrote:
We CANNOT within the course of this decade set a man on the surface of the moon abd return him safely to Earth. Let alone fight major war single-handed and guarantee civil rights at the same time.
It's EITHER jobs or the environment.

Tonight on PBS: Cantservative folk songs of the 1960s.


Herbie, bottom line here is that if high speed rail was such a great idea then private companies would have done it already. Ditto electrifying the railroads.

If it really was cheaper and more efficient then it would also be PROFITABLE.

But it isn't.

And you can pound your head and throw all the temper tantrums you want and you still won't be able to change that reality.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:49 pm
 


Short of anti-gravity or teleportation technology, there is no real option here.

Speed is nice, but capacity is king. And, the world's largest cargo craft carries less than 2 rail cars.

We will be building hyperloops/maglevs, or we will be running electric "trains" (autonomous ev semi's linked with a pair of human controllers at the front & rear) down highways. Regardless of the mode of transportation passengers elect to use most.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:11 pm
 


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Short of anti-gravity or teleportation technology, there is no real option here.

Speed is nice, but capacity is king. And, the world's largest cargo craft carries less than 2 rail cars.

We will be building hyperloops/maglevs, or we will be running electric "trains" (autonomous ev semi's linked with a pair of human controllers at the front & rear) down highways. Regardless of the mode of transportation passengers elect to use most.


There are some states like Nevada that allow triple trailers on trucks but they'd never be allowed for passenger travel.

Normal rail is still going to be the king for long distance cargo shipping and HSR may eventually make sense when the air corridors can't handle any more aircraft.

But that day is not today.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:10 pm
 


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1) Canada can build airliners, but only because the government perpetually props up the half-assed company that makes them with endless corporate welfare. Saving jobs or not, the sad reality of Canadian aerospace is that they can't make it on their own. Then again neither can the American companies, because without military contracts sustaining them outfits like Boeing would have disappeared a long time ago.

2) High-speed rail might be something better suited for temperate climates. Not sure the same benefits can be achieved in Canada that are in Britain, Japan, or France. They don't get our winters so the jury could be out on that one. Parts of the US could probably benefit from it but it seems stranded in stupidity thanks to the usual opposing sides, i.e. the eco-everything freaks vs the denialist nuts who would like to see cars run on coal. Doubt this will ever be rationally solved simply because the participants don't want it to be.

France has had high speed rail for years. We tried it to, but it was like Telus Internet. 70 mph was "high speed" just like our 5 Mb :-)
Washington & BC are right now funding studies of a Vancouver-Seattle/Tacoma link.
BC Rail HAD electric service from Tumbler Ridge coal mines to the yards in Prince George. Coal mines shut down, goddam Gordon Campbell gave away BC Rail and now there's some rusting track. Think they run a diesel locomotive down it to keep the rights.
Shall we privatize BC Ferries too so they can get rid of electric and LNG powered ferries?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:16 pm
 


Rule #2
And we will not even think of undertaking this venture because it is the right thing to do, only if it is more profitable
Go back and watch some Star Trek reruns. Some Americans realize the Borg were the allegory for Communism. Few realize America was the Ferengi.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:50 pm
 


llama66 wrote:
You know lithium mines are strip mines, right?
No tech is truly good for the planet. Oil and oil based products are here to stay...


Never said they weren't. In fact if you bothered to read my OP I clearly stated that there would still be a need for some oil products, but it is very likely that the family auto will be electric; especially with many nations proposing outright bans on ICE powered vehicles.

And since you like pretty pictures:

Why is The Hobbit being filmed in the Tar Sands?

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/hussan/ ... -tar-sands


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:53 pm
 


Complete and utter histrionic shit.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:30 pm
 


Douwe wrote:
llama66 wrote:
You know lithium mines are strip mines, right?
No tech is truly good for the planet. Oil and oil based products are here to stay...


Never said they weren't. In fact if you bothered to read my OP I clearly stated that there would still be a need for some oil products, but it is very likely that the family auto will be electric; especially with many nations proposing outright bans on ICE powered vehicles.

And since you like pretty pictures:

Why is The Hobbit being filmed in the Tar Sands?

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/hussan/ ... -tar-sands

Hobbit was filmed in New Zealand. NPC.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:16 pm
 


Here NPC,
these were the filming locations for the Hobbit and the LOTR...
https://www.newzealand.com/int/feature/ ... locations/
https://www.findingtheuniverse.com/top- ... s-filming/

Awkward,
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/rabble- ... x-revealed

No oil sands listed.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:54 pm
 


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No, but the tar sands makes your mining site image look pristine by comparison. And in case you missed it the mention of the LOTR in the article was tongue in cheek. Mining for lithium cannot compare to the destruction caused by the oil industry. Perhaps it will be easier to understand this.

Alberta's oilsands industry is a huge source of harmful air pollution, study says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/oils ... -1.3599074


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