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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:28 pm
 


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Humans are 'superpredators' like no other species

Fishing, hunting conservation strategies are unsustainable, study suggests

By Emily Chung, CBC News Posted: Aug 20, 2015 2:00 PM ET Last Updated: Aug 20, 2015 2:24 PM ET

Humans are predators so unique and extreme that they are "superpredators" in a class apart from other carnivores, a group of Canadian scientists says.

And hunting and fishing patterns among animals show that human hunting and fishing conservation regulations may be the exact opposite of what is sustainable, the B.C. researchers say.

By comparing the hunting and fishing habits of other predators around the world to those of humans, the researchers revealed some very unusual behaviours, most remarkably:

While most predators kill and eat mainly juveniles, humans target largely adults.
Unlike other predators, humans prey on many large carnivores such as bears and lions.

"They are a predator of predators," said Chris Darimont, lead author of a new study describing the analysis, "and actually a very extreme predator not only of predators, but pretty much anything with edible flesh on this planet."

The study, published today in Science, found that humans hunt and fish adult prey at a rate that is 14 times higher than the median rate for other predators.

"The magnitude of this difference… was our first surprise," said Darimont, the Hakai-Raincoast professor of geography at the University of Victoria and science director for the Raincoast Conservation Foundation, at a media teleconference organized by the journal Science.

The difference was most extreme for two types of human prey: fish and large predators.


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That's unsustainable, the researchers say, and has resulted in some drastic impacts – populations of many large carnivores such as lions, tigers and wolves are dwindling. Some fish stocks worldwide have collapsed, and the fish that remain are getting smaller and maturing earlier than they used to, producing less offspring, as human fishing practices drive their evolution.

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"Humanity, in fact, selects for traits that are undesirable to humans – smaller fishes, fishes that produce less offspring, shrunken horns [in bighorn sheep]," said Darimont.

The researchers recommend:

Reducing human hunting and fishing rates to levels more comparable to those of other predators – an 80 or 90 per cent reduction.
Changing conservation regulations to target young fish and animals instead of adults.

University of Victoria biology professor Tom Reimchen, who co-authored the paper, acknowledged that reducing hunting and fishing by that much will be "very challenging," as will shifting commercial fisheries to capture juveniles instead of adults, given current fishing methods.

But the researchers said there are already examples of fisheries that do this, such as the Newfoundland lobster fishery, which sets traps with openings too small for large lobsters to enter. The researchers also cited the traditional indigenous herring roe fishery on the Pacific Northwest coast, where herring lay huge quantities of eggs on kelp near the shore each year. The kelp and eggs were collected by First Nations people, while leaving the adults unharmed to come back and lay more eggs the next year.

On a personal level, Darimont says when you go fishing, it's best to let "the big one" go and keep smaller fish instead when allowed by regulations, which often ban juveniles from being hunted or fished at all.

Reimchen first came up with the idea of comparing humans to other predators while conducting research at a lake on B.C.'s Haida Gwaii islands in the 1970s. There, 22 species of predators, including otters, loons, trout, and grebes, preyed mainly on a single species of stickleback fish. Despite all the predators, the stickleback population remained stable because the predators almost exclusively ate the juveniles, leaving the reproductive adults to produce large quantities of more young each year.

Interest vs. capital

"The predators were consuming primarily the reproductive interest rather than the reproductive capital," Reimchen said at a media teleconference organized by Science.

In fact, Darimont said, fish and animals have evolved strategies for reproduction specifically to deal with predation of their young.

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"As fishes age, they become more fecund … they produce more eggs, produce more babies and in many cases, many of those babies are more likely to survive and reproduce themselves."

Reimchen noticed that natural predators' tendency to target juveniles was the opposite of commercial salmon and herring fisheries, which targeted mainly adult, reproductive-age fish.

He wondered how widespread these differences between human hunting and fishing habits and those of other predators might be.

Over seven years, he worked with Darimont — a former PhD student — and two other former students to comb through scientific papers and hunting and fishing management reports to collect and analyze data on 400 species of predators around the world.

"Fundamentally," Darimont said, "our hopes for this paper is that when society thinks of predators, they no longer exclusively think about wolves and lions or maybe even spiders, but they understand that our own species is not only a predator, but a dominant one."


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I doubt this will get through to many, mostly because the dominant feature of the collective human mind is now a complete lack of conscience. Be fruitful and multiply, and to hell with any other creature unfortunate enough to get in the way. :|


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:58 pm
 


It's all the other species fault for being so tasty.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:02 pm
 


Charming propaganda from a resurgent Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.

I wish they'd act on their own beliefs and kill themselves to make the world a better place. [B-o]


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Care to elaborate?


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I'm not too happy with this extinction of all other species thing, but I have to say being a super predator sounds pretty cool.

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Humanity is the natural disaster, :(


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Maybe the matrix was right and we're just a virus! :o


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:37 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
It's all the other species fault for being so tasty.


If God had have wanted us to be vegetarians, He wouldn't have made animals out of meat.


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Maybe the matrix was right and we're just a virus! :o


You can actually put forth a pretty solid argument that we are living in a simulation.

1. By 2020 or 2030 we will be able to model a human brain, the most complex thing we know of in the universe, at a subatmoic level

2. If we can do one brain, it's just repetition to do 6 billion. If we can do six billion human brains, then modelling the rest of the universe is child's play. Should have that going by 2050 or 2060.

3. If we can simulate 1 universe, we can simulate many. We could have thousands of simultaed universes running.

4. In that scenario you have 1 real universe and thousands of simulated ones, there is only thousands to one chance that you are living in the real universe.

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Zipperfish wrote:
2Cdo wrote:
Maybe the matrix was right and we're just a virus! :o


You can actually put forth a pretty solid argument that we are living in a simulation.

1. By 2020 or 2030 we will be able to model a human brain, the most complex thing we know of in the universe, at a subatmoic level

2. If we can do one brain, it's just repetition to do 6 billion. If we can do six billion human brains, then modelling the rest of the universe is child's play. Should have that going by 2050 or 2060.

3. If we can simulate 1 universe, we can simulate many. We could have thousands of simultaed universes running.

4. In that scenario you have 1 real universe and thousands of simulated ones, there is only thousands to one chance that you are living in the real universe.

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Way to deep for today. Time for some tequila.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:13 pm
 


Zipperfish wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
It's all the other species fault for being so tasty.


If God had have wanted us to be vegetarians, He wouldn't have made animals out of meat.


I used to be a vegetarian.

That meant I gave up meat, eggs, dairy, and friendship.


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Delwin wrote:
I'm not too happy with this extinction of all other species thing, but I have to say being a super predator sounds pretty cool.


You are one ugly motherfucker.


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Zipperfish wrote:
2Cdo wrote:
Maybe the matrix was right and we're just a virus! :o


You can actually put forth a pretty solid argument that we are living in a simulation.

1. By 2020 or 2030 we will be able to model a human brain, the most complex thing we know of in the universe, at a subatmoic level

2. If we can do one brain, it's just repetition to do 6 billion. If we can do six billion human brains, then modelling the rest of the universe is child's play. Should have that going by 2050 or 2060.

3. If we can simulate 1 universe, we can simulate many. We could have thousands of simultaed universes running.

4. In that scenario you have 1 real universe and thousands of simulated ones, there is only thousands to one chance that you are living in the real universe.

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So when will you be offering us coloured pills?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:56 am
 


I bet the singularity is going to suck ass


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