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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 5:35 pm
 


Life in the universe? Almost certainly. Intelligence? Maybe not

(PhysOrg.com) -- We are likely not alone in the universe, though it may feel like it, since life on other planets is probably dominated by microbes or other nonspeaking creatures, according to scientists who gave their take on extraterrestrial life at Harvard recently.

Speakers reviewed how life on Earth arose and the many, sometimes improbable steps it took to create intelligence here. Radio astronomer Gerrit Verschuur said he believes that though there is very likely life out there — perhaps a lot of it — it is very unlikely to be both intelligent and able to communicate with us.

Verschuur presented his take on the Drake equation, formulated by astronomer Francis Drake in 1960, that provides a means for calculating the number of intelligent civilizations that it is possible for humans to make contact with.

The equation relates those chances to the rate of star and habitable planet formation. It includes the rate at which life arises on such planets and develops intelligence, technology, and interplanetary communication skills. Finally, it factors in the lifetime of such a civilization.

Using Drake’s equation, Verschuur calculated there may be just one other technological civilization capable of communicating with humans in the whole group of galaxies that include our Milky Way — a vanishingly small number that may explain why 30 years of scanning the skies for signs of intelligent life has come up empty.

“I’m not very optimistic,” Verschuur said.

Verschuur was a speaker at “Crossroads: The Future of Human Life in the Universe,” a three-day symposium sponsored by the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA), the Smithsonian Institution, the Harvard Origins of Life Initiative, and the Cambridge Science Festival.

The event kicked off with a showing of a popular science fiction movie, “Colussus: The Forbin Project,” before diving into more serious material. Topics included finding habitable planets, the rise of artificial life, human travel to Mars, and the idea that life might have a self-destructive streak. Speakers included Verschuur, J. Craig Venter, Freeman Dyson, Peter Ward, Andy Knoll, Dimitar Sasselov, Maria Zuber, David Charbonneau, Juan Enriquez, and David Aguilar.

Sasselov, professor of astrophysics at Harvard and director of the Harvard Origins of Life Initiative, agreed with Verschuur that life is probably common in the universe. He said that he believes life is a natural “planetary phenomenon” that occurs easily on planets with the right conditions.



As for intelligent life, give it time, he said. Though it may be hard to think of it this way, at roughly 14 billion years old, the universe is quite young, he said. The heavy elements that make up planets like Earth were not available in the early universe; instead, they are formed by the stars. Enough of these materials were available to begin forming rocky planets like Earth just 7 billion or 8 billion years ago. When one considers that it took nearly 4 billion years for intelligent life to evolve on Earth, it would perhaps not be surprising if intelligence is still rare.

“It takes a long time to do this,” Sasselov said. “It may be that we are the first generation in this galaxy.”

Several speakers hailed the March launch of NASA’s Kepler space telescope, which is dedicated to the search for Earth-like planets orbiting other stars. Several Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics faculty members, including Sasselov, are investigators on the telescope mission.

Sasselov said he expects Kepler to quickly add to the 350 planets already found orbiting other stars. By the end of the summer, he said, it may have found more than a dozen “super Earths” or planets from Earth-size to just over twice Earth’s size that Sasselov expects would have the stability and conditions that would allow life to develop.

If life did develop elsewhere, Andrew Knoll, the Fisher Professor of Natural History, used the lessons of planet Earth to give an idea of what it might take to develop intelligence. Of the three major groupings of life: bacteria, archaea, and eukaryotes, only the eukaryotes developed complex life. And even among the myriad kinds of eukaryotes, complex life arose in just a few places: animals, plants, fungi, and red and brown algae. Knoll said he believes that the rise of mobility, oxygen levels, and predation, together with its need for sophisticated sensory systems, coordinated activity, and a brain, provided the first steps toward intelligence.

It has only been during the past century — a tiny fraction of Earth’s history — that humans have had the technological capacity to communicate off Earth, Knoll said. And, though Kepler may advance the search for Earth-like planets, it won’t tell us whether there’s life there, or whether there has been life there in the past.

Provided by Harvard University (news : web)




Source: http://www.physorg.com/news161358845.html


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:20 pm
 


God, I hope there's intelligent life out there. Since there's none here, lol.


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:36 pm
 


Problem is, if there is life, way more advanced then we are, and they come to visit, they may see us the same way we see ants... insignificant creatures.


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Problem is, if there is life, way more advanced then we are, and they come to visit, they may see us the same way we see ants... insignificant creatures.

I wouldn't blame them.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:28 pm
 


There is a good chance that we are very lonely in this galaxy. I certainly hope not, but the possibility of "intelligent" life doesn't seem that high. When I say intelligent life, I mean life we as humans can communicate with.

For all we know the solar system could be a massive life-form and we would not be able to communicate with it, nor comprehend its existence simply due to the limitation of our lifespans.

For all we know...our Earth could be a super-organism and we cannot communicate with it either due to the same limitations.

But life, in a conventional sense, (life like us) is seemingly more improbable due to the numerous requirements we consider to be essential to our evolution thus far.

A large moon that can stabilize our axis, a magnetic core, stable weather system, water, oxygen (which was created by organisms), evolutionary paths by complete chance, geography (there are humans who still do not have technology), etc etc.

And that is assuming that other life similar to ourselves would be carbon based. So far no trace of any "intelligent", or even simple life has been found on any of the probable locations in this solar system, Titan, Europa and Mars. We are yet to explore Europa, especially difficult since Europa has a thick sheet of ice covering it.

The Titan probe landed, and finally we uncovered it's mysterious shroud, but no sign of anything but a giant ocean of liquefied natural gas and solid frozen water.

With Kepler we should be able to get a few good earth sized planets located and we shall turn our SETI satellites towards them in the hope that we may hear some form of intelligence.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:41 pm
 


Don't forget though CS, we base life on how life developed here on earth. We have no idea how it could have developed elsewhere. Rememeber the old Star Treks, I think I remember a selenium life form.

Besides, there are how many suns in the universe, and how many universes?

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Astronomers announced today that there are 70 sextillion stars in the visible universe, or some 70 thousand million million million. That's a 7 followed by 22 zeros.

That's in the visible universe!!!

I really don't think that we are unique, only if you believe in God would you make that assumption.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:56 pm
 


give me a break... I'm tired of human-apologists... I see no reason to say OH GOD I WISH INTELLIGENT LIFE EXISTS ELSEWHERE and say that humans are insignificant... stop believing Star Trek... on the whole, we are a fantastic species capable of great things... and yes, we have violent tendencies that formed as we evolved fighting to survive in a harsh environment...
I'd sooner lose a limb than give up aggression/passion and pride in our species. [B-o] :D


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:11 pm
 


How many times has this been said? I mean really. It seems scientists just like to echo each other. Wasn't it Stephan Hawking who first came up with this conclusion?

Anyways if there is intelligent life out there, most likely they are struggling under the same circumstances we are. I am sure that every civilization goes through all this bullshit before realizing that different religions, different face colours, different countries, etc doesn't fucking matter and realize everybody is generally the same. All human.

At first racism was a huge thing. Being a racist use to be like every-day life along time ago. Than new progress was made through every new generation and struggle. Blacks aren't banned from anything, heck theres a black man elected president of the United States. There are still quite a few racists per ethnic group but hopefully in time and further generations that will continue to be weeded out.

Maybe that will be the case for war, religious intolerance, etc. It does seem the general public is getting quite tired of countless wars. A lot more war protesting going on.

Just hopefully those civilizations learn that, including us before we all nuke each other and end our species.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:28 pm
 


This thread needs a higher warp factor.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:24 pm
 


raydan wrote:
I really don't think that we are unique, only if you believe in God would you make that assumption.


:roll: Seriously, can we leave the anti-religion BS out?

Anyway, I'm not sure why this is new, I've heard these things before...and why not? How many millions upon millions of solar systems are out there? Why can't there be a few more alien species?


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:31 pm
 


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I really don't think that we are unique, only if you believe in God would you make that assumption.


:roll: Seriously, can we leave the anti-religion BS out?

Ya no shit. I believe in God, but I also believe there is life on other planets. I guess that blows his theory out of the water.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:35 pm
 


If there is anybody out there, they're so far away from us that we may as well consider ourselves alone.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:45 pm
 


RUEZ wrote:
commanderkai wrote:
raydan wrote:
I really don't think that we are unique, only if you believe in God would you make that assumption.


:roll: Seriously, can we leave the anti-religion BS out?

Ya no shit. I believe in God, but I also believe there is life on other planets. I guess that blows his theory out of the water.

Gee, did I start a religious war???
The natives are REALLY restless tonight... :?


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raydan wrote:
Gee, did I start a religious war???
The natives are REALLY restless tonight... :?

Nope, just pointing out your own assumptions are wrong.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:51 pm
 


RUEZ wrote:
raydan wrote:
Gee, did I start a religious war???
The natives are REALLY restless tonight... :?

Nope, just pointing out your own assumptions are wrong.

Just cross out everything after the comma.
I'm OK with that. 8)


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