[BartSimpson]

http://co2insanity.com/2011/11/15/new-s ... te-theory/

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By: John O’Sullivan

Industrialized nations emit far less carbon dioxide than the Third World, according to latest evidence from Japan’s Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA).

Global warming alarmism is turned on its head and the supposed role of carbon dioxide in climate change may be wrong, if the latest evidence from Japan’s scientists is to be believed.

Japanese national broadcaster, NHK World broke the astonishing story on their main Sunday evening news bulletin (October 30, 2011). Television viewers learned that the country’s groundbreaking IBUKU satellite, launched in June 2009, appears to have scorched an indelible hole in conventional global warming theory.

Standing in front of a telling array of colorful graphs, sober-suited Yasuhiro Sasano, Director of Japan’s National Institute for Environmental Studies told viewers, “The [IBUKU satellite] map is to help us discover how much each region needs to reduce CO2 [carbon dioxide] emissions.”

Industrialized Nations World’s Lowest CO2 ‘Polluters’

Indeed, the map at which JAXA spokesman Sasano was pointing been expected by most experts to show that western nations are to blame for substantial increases in atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, causing global warming. But to an officious looking TV interviewer Sasano turned greenhouse gas theory on it’s head.

According to UN science the greenhouse gas theory says more CO2 entering the atmosphere will warm the planet, while less CO2 is associated with cooling.

Gesturing to an indelible deep green hue streaked across the United States and Europe viewers were told, “in the high latitudes of the Northern hemisphere emissions were less than absorption levels.”

Sasano proceeded to explain the color-coding system of the iconic maps showing where regions were either absorbing or emitting the trace atmospheric gas. Regions were alternately colored red (for high CO2 emission), white (low or neutral CO2 emissions) and green (no emissions: CO2 absorbers).

Bizarrely, the IBUKU maps prove exactly the opposite of all conventional expectations revealing that the least industrialized regions are the biggest emitters of greenhouse gases on the planet.

Yes, you read that correctly: the U.S. and western European nations are areas where CO2 levels are lowest. This new evidence defies the consensus view promoted by mainstream newspapers, such as the New York Times.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) had long claimed that, “there is a consensus among scientists that manmade emissions of greenhouse gases, notably carbon dioxide (CO2), are harming global climate.”

The Japanese satellite map shows regions colored the deepest leaf green (net absorbers of CO2) being predominantly those developed nations of Europe and North America; thus indicating built up environments absorbed more CO2 than they emitted into the atmosphere.

By contrast the bulk of the regions colored red (so-called ‘carbon polluters’) were in undeveloped, densely forested equatorial regions of Africa and South America.

Huge Headache for Climate Policymakers

JAXA boasts that, “we can reduce the error of the estimated values when we introduce IBUKI’s observation data compared to that of the values calculated in a conventional way based on ground observation data.”

To all policymakers who study the Japanese maps it is apparent that the areas of greatest CO2 emissions are those regions with least human development and most natural vegetation: Equatorial Third World nations.

The Japanese evidence also disproves the often-cited hypothesis that Siberia and other areas of northern Russia were natural vents for large scale CO2 outgassing, exacerbating global warming fears.

In effect, this compelling new data appears to show that the asphalt and concreted industrial nations are ‘mopping up’ carbon dioxide faster than their manufacturers and consumers can emit it. If this is confirmed, it means a cornerstone of man-made global warming may be in serious doubt.

Can Western Nations Still Proceed with Carbon Taxes?

But now that these so-called “global warming gases” have been precisely measured across the planet the quandary for international policymakers is what to do about plans to further implement international targets for CO2 reduction.

World leaders are getting set to face the latest round of UN climate change talks in Durban next month and must discuss a replacement for the soon to expire Kyoto Protocol, which binds nations to limited CO2 emissions.

The dilemma is whether the established UN global warming policy of the ‘polluter pays’ can any longer be sensibly upheld. Conventional political thinking at previous UN climate conferences was to ‘offset’ carbon emissions by making the worst polluters pay higher ‘carbon taxes.’

But that theory now appears to be rendered redundant being that western economies, believed to be the worst offenders, are in fact, contributing either negligible or no measurable CO2 emissions whatsoever.

Indeed, the IBUKU data indicates that the areas of highest CO2 emissions are precisely those regions with most vegetation and least industry and thus less able to pay.

Thus, the unthinkable could be made real: the greenhouse gas theory of climate change may collapse in the face of empirical evidence that industrialization is shown to have no link to global warming.

For more information the IBUKU achievement is published in the Scientific Online Letters on the Atmosphere (an online thesis magazine) issued by the Meteorological Society of Japan.

Sources:

JAXA, Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency, Greenhouse Gas Observation Satellite ‘IBUKI’ (GOSAT), accessed online: October 30, 2011.

Gillis, J.,’Study Affirms Consensus on Climate Change,’ New York Times, (nytimes.com: accessed online: October 30, 2011)

[BartSimpson]

Looks like Harper is making the right call in withdrawing from Kyoto.

[sandorski]

lol, sure.

So now you're on the MMGW bandwagon.

[BartSimpson]

No, I think the satellite data is just showing the massive release of carbon from rotting vegetation, is all. But where it is showing that man-made carbon releases are outweighed by nature it's pretty obvious that reducing our output does f***all to reduce the increase in atmospheric CO2.

My advice, get used to warm weather, if indeed it occurs. Otherwise, don't put your sweater away anytime soon.

[PluggyRug]

sandorski wrote:

lol, sure.

So now you're on the MMGW bandwagon.

Fail.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson wrote:

No, I think the satellite data is just showing the massive release of carbon from rotting vegetation, is all. But where it is showing that man-made carbon releases are outweighed by nature it's pretty obvious that reducing our output does f***all to reduce the increase in atmospheric CO2.

My advice, get used to warm weather, if indeed it occurs. Otherwise, don't put your sweater away anytime soon.

My advice is not to jump on every single article that seems to go against the Scientific consequence, hail it as gospel, and expect anyone to take anything you say on the subject seriously. Especially because you can't even be consistent on the subject, bending every which way depending on what the latest link claims.

[BartSimpson]

sandorski wrote:

My advice is not to jump on every single article that seems to go against the Scientific consequence, hail it as gospel, and expect anyone to take anything you say on the subject seriously. Especially because you can't even be consistent on the subject, bending every which way depending on what the latest link claims.

Unlike yourself who won't consider any options other than what you've been told to believe.

Science is a journey of discovery and consideration, not a roadmap to a known destination.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson wrote:

sandorski wrote:

My advice is not to jump on every single article that seems to go against the Scientific consequence, hail it as gospel, and expect anyone to take anything you say on the subject seriously. Especially because you can't even be consistent on the subject, bending every which way depending on what the latest link claims.

Unlike yourself who won't consider any options other than what you've been told to believe.

Science is a journey of discovery and consideration, not a roadmap to a known destination.

I stick with the Scientific Consensus arrived at by thousands. Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry who merely spews off a "different" view on the subject every other week. You have bounced around from 1 point to another and back again. No consistency and often contradicting previous points and almost always based upon 1 article. Yet you dismiss thousands of pieces of evidence which do not contradict each other and all point towards the same thing that the consensus states.

You are not a "skeptic", you are merely a Contradictarian feigning "Science" when clearly Science is of no concern to you at all.

[Brenda]

It was freezing today, so I was wearing a sweater. I almost drove my car into a semi, because it was so slippery, my breaking at the bottom of the hill didn't do much.

It's Winter.

I am 40 years old. It has been winter this time of year for as long as my great grandmother has told me. I'm sure it will stay this way for a while.

[peck420]

All this proves is that we know far less than we think we know.

[ShepherdsDog]

Brenda wrote:

It was freezing today, so I was wearing a sweater. I almost drove my car into a semi, because it was so slippery, my breaking at the bottom of the hill didn't do much.

It's Winter.

I am 40 years old. It has been winter this time of year for as long as my great grandmother has told me. I'm sure it will stay this way for a while.

Nah, in their day it was -40C from September to May. When they walked the 15 miles, barefoot, to school through hip deep snow, it was uphill both ways.

Actually in my grandmother's day, school was a mile away, but for my mom it was 5 miles, until they moved into town(this why obesity in kids was such a rare thing ). They took the horse and cutter in the winter when it was too cold to walk. If I had taken the bus to school in Manitoba, I'd of had to walk a mile on dirt roads to catch it, as we lived just over the municipal line.

[dino_bobba_renno]

peck420 wrote:

All this proves is that we know far less than we think we know.

And there in lies the whole problem with Global warming theories. Even if you believe global warming is real but disagree with the root cause which is being put forward you are labelled a denier and a heretic for speaking out. Global warming has changed from a global problem into an money making industry over the past years and most of scientists in this field have become more concerned with increasing their funding than they are in finding a true solution to the problem. If they were truly interested in finding a solution they would be more open and objective what’s causing the increase in temperatures. Simply put you can’t come up with a practical and viable solution until you can find the true causation.

But man made global warming is what they’re sticking to and heaven forbid if you try to contradict them or even so much as suggest that there might also be another contributing factor. Scientist will flock from all over the world to exotic destinations like Durbin, Cancun, and Athens to denounce any such sacrilegious deniers while sipping on cocktails and stuffing their faces with gourmet h'orderves. If scientific data is produced that in any way challenges their infallible doctrine they will either simply dismiss it or conveniently brand the finders of such information as a deniers and charlatans. They will then recruited their faithful celebrity disciples to preach to us from one of their many 10,000 square foot vacation homes about how we little people are not doing enough and chastise us for using more than one square of toilet paper per crap. But, if we truly care about our planet all we have to do is send $19.99 to Joeblows Desert tree farm and all will be well.

Personally, I believe in global warming but I’m sick and tired of sanctimonious hypocrites telling me how wrong I am for simply trying to live my life, support my family and just get by. The whole thing has become nothing more than a money grab and until I see a truly non-profit and unbias organization handling this issue and producing some sensible and practical solutions all these celebrities and jet setting scientists can kiss my ass.

[sandorski]

dino_bobba_renno wrote:

peck420 wrote:

All this proves is that we know far less than we think we know.

And there in lies the whole problem with Global warming theories. Even if you believe global warming is real but disagree with the root cause which is being put forward you are labelled a denier and a heretic for speaking out. Global warming has changed from a global problem into an money making industry over the past years and most of scientists in this field have become more concerned with increasing their funding than they are in finding a true solution to the problem. If they were truly interested in finding a solution they would be more open and objective what’s causing the increase in temperatures. Simply put you can’t come up with a practical and viable solution until you can find the true causation.

But man made global warming is what they’re sticking to and heaven forbid if you try to contradict them or even so much as suggest that there might also be another contributing factor. Scientist will flock from all over the world to exotic destinations like Durbin, Cancun, and Athens to denounce any such sacrilegious deniers while sipping on cocktails and stuffing their faces with gourmet h'orderves. If scientific data is produced that in any way challenges their infallible doctrine they will either simply dismiss it or conveniently brand the finders of such information as a deniers and charlatans. They will then recruited their faithful celebrity disciples to preach to us from one of their many 10,000 square foot vacation homes about how we little people are not doing enough and chastise us for using more than one square of toilet paper per crap. But, if we truly care about our planet all we have to do is send $19.99 to Joeblows Desert tree farm and all will be well.

Personally, I believe in global warming but I’m sick and tired of sanctimonious hypocrites telling me how wrong I am for simply trying to live my life, support my family and just get by. The whole thing has become nothing more than a money grab and until I see a truly non-profit and unbias organization handling this issue and producing some sensible and practical solutions all these celebrities and jet setting scientists can kiss my ass.

Negative.

[Praxius]

I'll believe factual evidence and observation over computer simulated models based on limited data and only shows a limited perspective.... any day.

There was never really a "Scientific Consensus" in any of the sense as the scientists that were invited were basically hand-picked and a large number of scientists who didn't agree with the GW theory and had other forms of evidence were left out of the loop, they were branded as being full of self-interest objectives and were in the pockets of oil companies and the sort.

Yet every single time more and more logical & factual evidence is released.... the more leaked documents showing Global Warmongers fudged their numbers, it's always ignored and passed off by the masses and those scientists.

Which isn't surprising because if they actually admitted that they created a completely false situation, they'd all be out of a job because nobody would ever trust them again.

Global Warming is a pile of crap, it always has been and it always will be.

I used to believe in GW back when I was a kid in the 80's.... around 87-88 a bunch of stuff was thrown on the TV scaring the crap out of me, with claims that the ice caps would all melt and coastal areas like New York, Nova Scotia, etc. would all be under several metres of ocean by 1996-97.

That never happened and then Al Gore came out with his stupid movie which spouted much of the same crap.... the ice caps are going to melt and in 30 or so years coastal areas like the above would be under several metres of ocean.... suffering, dying, starvation.... every single thing as before, only now instead of it all happening in 10 or so years, it's now bumped to 30 years.

Oh wait, a couple of years ago, the Global Warming freaks said that we're entering a Global Cooling which will now push Global Warming back another 15 years or so.... funny how their computer simulations and models didn't predict this Global Cooling back in then.

If they couldn't predict this Global Cooling trend from models and simulations from a few years ago, how can one have faith in their predictions of what's going to happen 30-50 years down the road??

What's really funny is that these so-called "Scientists" claim they're professionals and real scientists, yet when anybody decides to question their claims or their findings, they're villain'ized and ridiculed for not accepting their findings and seem shocked and surprised that anybody would challenge their position.

..... I thought that was what science was. You're supposed to allow others to test and question your findings and if they're true and hold some logic facts to them, they should hold up all on their own.

But instead we have scientists acting like religious fanatics, pointing their devil-fingers at anybody who doesn't blindly believe what they say.

There's no time to challenge or review their findings.... the world's going to explode in the next hour.... we need to take action now!

As Popeye once said..... "Blow Me........ down"

[sandorski]

Praxius wrote:

I'll believe factual evidence and observation

There's plenty of Both. So what's the hold up?