[SystemTV]

Is it possible that religion is causing psychoses ? Is it possible that the same is doing philosophy ? Is it possible that religion is one big false and philosophy contains only nonsenses ?
lately appeared new theory which is connecting religion and philosophy with mental illness, it is describing in text "Religion and philosophy as illness":
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(the author of the text originates from outside of Anglosaxon lingual area)
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1. All domain of esoterism, of yoga, of meditation can be counted to area of primeval religion. It is the same what shamanistic beliefs and practices.

2. These practices consist in obtainment of state of trance, as same as meditation [frequency of brain waves attains level Theta/Delta 0,5-7 Hz, similarly as during a sleep].
Trance is state of waking dream, in the same way one defined schizophrenia and in the same way can be defined paranoid psychosis.

3. Thus this domain doesn't lead to enlightenment, only psychosis, that is to say illness.

4. The illness appeared at the rising of religion, before tens thousands of years, and the illness appeared on following stage of development of religion and at the rising and during the development of philosophy.

5. All field of religion, philosophy - which is in fact an only certain version of religion, and most of the humanities, are self possessed by morbid condition.

6. Exist no supernatural beings, from field of religion stays only reincarnation, but understood unlike till now.

7. The law of karma is a fiction.

8. Posthumous state is the same what state of sleep - it is a state of unconsciousness, and is not a state of intelligent and goal directed activity - this is state of unactiveness.

9. Religion should disappear and give place subdomain of psychology interesting in the problem of 'posthumous state' as identical with state of sleep. There should disappear also philosophy and give place history of Science."

about psychosis:
"The british neurologist Hughlings Jackson (1835-1911) had remarked: 'find out all about dreams, and you will find out all about insenity'.
In the first years after discovery of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, researchers belived they had acquired a tool for investigation of Haughlings Jackson's premise. They supposed that schizophrenia might represent the intrusion of the dream state into wakefulness, and, therefore, there was the prospect of being able to link dream cognition to psychosis through REM sleep."

about buddhism:
"Buddhism for example consists in obtainment of the state of waking dream, which wrongly, similarly how in old shamanism, is taking as enlightenment; further it has to mean going out and the break up of elements of the mental life - in this it is visible nihilism; in fact the losing of consciousness in the state of nirvana is the same what the losing of consciousness after fall into a sleep, and the only abiding effect is developing paranoid psychosis, the same refers to other forms of yoga (the enlightenment is a fiction)..."

about origin of religion, polytheism, monotheism, theism, absolutism, philosophy:
"The beginning of religion ties in with the answer on the question about afterlife and with the rising of practices of shamanistic poisonings. These practices and technic of trance, that is to say waking dream (see p.2.), led to the development of mental illness.
The rising of polytheism was connected with some morbid condition, because previous tendention had to find some form of continuation.
The rising of monotheism ties in with the person of Akhenaton (Amenhotep IV, pharaoh of Egypt 1353–36 BC), which suffered from Marfan's syndrome and because of disorders caused by this illness modified exaggeratedly and pathologically well-known more early monolatry. Akhenaten was a real founder of monotheism.
Middle East Aryans brought, during incursions, newly arisen monotheism to India. There came into being also the first philosophical version of this abnormal doctrine which we find in Upanishad, this is conception of absolute...
The rising of philosophy in Greece distinguishes the appearance of the following ill figure, which was Pythagoras who created philosophy as the certain sort of absolutism (that is to say monotheism), so only as certain version of religion. Thenceforward, until today the most of philosophy exists exclusively as a certain sort of religion.
Morbid condition is well visible at continuators of Pythagoras, such as Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, Thomas, Kant, Hegel and others. "

this remark from the article shows that criticism of religion isn't the same what leftist ideology:
"On the other hand, leftist ethics and politics leads also to bad results similarly as described earlier sickness states. Examples can be problems of homosexualism, unborn childs or ′gift′ which made for USSR democratic President of the United States Truman in the form of Atomic weapon - what was a greatest political mistake in history (Truman procrastinated so long till the competitive power accessed to the new military technology). US Democrats had, have and will have unprobably stupid presidents."

mystical enlightenment is a sick fiction, monotheism is a sick fiction, conception of absolute is a sick fiction etc., a scale of occurrence of psychoses on the religious and philosophical background is in today′s world huge, and the same was also formerly.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Fuuny thing religion. It can be science, money, technology etc, etc.
Essentially, ANYTHING that one puts their faith in becomes a religion.

Oh and ummm, I've run across plenty of mentally ill peole that weren't the least bit religious in the deific sense.
Explain that.

[DerbyX]

They were conservatives.

[djakeydd]

Seems to me that both Darwin and Nietzsche were atheists and supposedly non religious, both were certifiably insane when they kicked their respective bucket. So much for your theory

[SystemTV]

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Fuuny thing religion

yes, it is

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It can be science, money, technology etc, etc.

Science, Technology and money are biggest enemies of religion (since religion is very bad thing Science shouldn't be a religion)

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Oh and ummm, I've run across plenty of mentally ill peole that weren't the least bit religious in the deific sense.
Explain that.

psychosis is very often basing on religious or philosophical ground and it is established fact by psychiatrists
read for example this:
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/show ... C+religion

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They were conservatives.

there is some truth in this remark because psychosis most often have a religious background

[DerbyX]

djakeydd wrote:

Seems to me that both Darwin and ietzsche were atheists, thereby supposedly non religious, both certifiably insane when they kicked the bucket

Darwin and Nietzsche (I presume) were certifiably insane? Care to back that up.

[Lemmy]

djakeydd wrote:

Seems to me that both Darwin and Nietzsche were atheists and supposedly non religious, both were certifiably insane when they kicked their respective bucket. So much for your theory

Darwin wasn't an atheist. He was deeply torn by his own research. He died having never come to grips with the conflict between his religious beliefs and unbringing and his scientific discovery.

[DerbyX]

Lemmy wrote:

djakeydd wrote:

Seems to me that both Darwin and Nietzsche were atheists and supposedly non religious, both were certifiably insane when they kicked their respective bucket. So much for your theory

Darwin wasn't an atheist. He was deeply torn by his own research. He died having never come to grips with the conflict between his religious beliefs and unbringing and his scientific discovery.

Actually he was agnostic.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX wrote:

Actually he was agnostic.

Care to back that up?


What an odd 2nd post.

[Lemmy]

DerbyX wrote:

Actually he was agnostic.

As a result of his research, yes.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Actually he was agnostic.

Care to back that up?


What an odd 2nd post.

I'm sorry but claiming Darwin and Nietszche were certifiably insane demands evidence. Darwins religious views are a matter of record and have been since OOTS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Da ... ious_views

Agnosticism

In 1879 a letter came asking if he believed in God, and if theism and evolution were compatible. He replied that a man "can be an ardent Theist and an evolutionist", citing Charles Kingsley and Asa Gray as examples, and for himself, he had "never been an Atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God". He added that "I think that generally (and more and more as I grow older), but not always, that an Agnostic would be a more correct description of my state of mind."

[ridenrain]

.. But at what stage in his life though? He started as Christian and remained that through the bulk of his work. It was only in the later days of his life that he stopped going to church.

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Charles Darwin's views on religion have been the subject of much interest. His work which was pivotal in the development of modern biology and evolution theory played a prominent part in debates about religion and science at the time, then in the early twentieth century became a focus of the creation-evolution controversy in the United States.

Charles Darwin had a non-conformist background, but attended a Church of England school.[1] With the aim of becoming a clergyman he went to the University of Cambridge for the required BA degree, which included studies of Anglican theology. He took great interest in natural history and become filled with zeal for science as defined by John Herschel, based on the natural theology of William Paley which presented the argument from divine design in nature to explain adaptation as God acting through laws of nature.[2][3] On the voyage of the Beagle he remained orthodox and looked for "centres of creation" to explain distribution, but towards the end of the voyage began to doubt that species were fixed.[4][5] By this time he was critical of the Bible as history, and wondered why all religions should not be equally valid. Following his return in October 1836, he developed his novel ideas of geology while speculating about transmutation of species and thinking about religion.[6]

Following Darwin's marriage to Emma in January 1839, they shared discussions about Christianity for several years.[7] The theodicy of Paley and Thomas Malthus vindicated evils such as starvation as a result of a benevolent creator's laws which had an overall good effect. To Darwin, Natural selection produced the good of adaptation but removed the need for design,[8] and he could not see the work of an omnipotent deity in all the pain and suffering such as the ichneumon wasp paralysing caterpillars as live food for its eggs.[9] Until 1844 he followed Paley in viewing organisms as perfectly adapted with only a few imperfections, and only partly modified that view by 1859. On the Origin of Species reflects theological views. Though he thought of religion as a tribal survival strategy, Darwin still believed that God was the ultimate lawgiver,[10][11] and later recollected that at the time he was convinced of the existence of God as a First Cause and deserved to be called a theist. This view subsequently fluctuated,[12] and he continued to explore conscientious doubts, without forming fixed opinions on certain religious matters.[7]

Darwin continued to play a leading part in the parish work of the local church,[13] but from around 1849 would go for a walk on Sundays while his family attended church.[14] Though reticent about his religious views, in 1879 he responded that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God, and that generally "an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind."[7] He went as far as saying that "Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence. For myself, I do not believe that there ever has been any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities."[15]

[DerbyX]

Lemmy wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Actually he was agnostic.

As a result of his research, yes.

Perhaps. Its certainly not unusual for religious beliefs to change over time.

[SystemTV]

djakeydd wrote:

Seems to me that both Darwin and Nietzsche were atheists and supposedly non religious, both were certifiably insane...So much for your theory

Darwin wasn't for sure insane, wasn't an atheist, Nietzsche became insane but in last 11 years of his life (he lived 56 years), and it isn't my theory

[gigs]

Global Warming is a religion, followed by nut bag lefties.