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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:50 pm
 


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Therefore, if your statement is correct, 2/3 of Californians live in drought in normal years anyway.


Yep.

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The problem with your flawed argument is that because the majority isn't in 'Exceptional" drought state, there is no drought.


The problem is that it's irrelevant if there's a drought in Southern California because they get their water from Northern California. As long as the drought in the north is over then it's over for the whole state.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:52 pm
 


At no point in recorded human history has SoCal been anything other than arid/desert environment.

Shit, most of their woes don't even stem from climate change, just from plain old human hubris, and the belief that our artificially created systems will outlast nature's.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:54 pm
 


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At no point in recorded human history has SoCal been anything other than arid/desert environment.

Shit, most of their woes don't even stem from climate change, just from plain old human hubris, and the belief that our artificially created systems will outlast nature's.


Spot on analysis on both points.


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The problem is that it's irrelevant if there's a drought in Southern California because they get their water from Northern California. As long as the drought in the north is over then it's over for the whole state.


Uh, no.

Some of the state perhaps, but not all of the state.

Only 17% of Santa Barbara County's (you know the part that is in Extreme Drought sill) water comes from northern California.

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And Lake Cachuma didn't benefit very much from all that precipitation over the holidays either

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Lake Cachuma, which supplies water to the city of Santa Barbara and other urban areas in Southern California, remains well below average. Over January, the water level increased from 8% to 12% of capacity. The current level is 16% of the historical average for this time of year.


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Drought conditions have continued to improve, with about 11% of the state experiencing severe to extreme drought, compared to 20% last week. The area no longer experiencing short-term drought effects has increased from 40% to 41.5% over the past week. La Niña conditions have subsided and normal sea surface temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere are expected to continue through spring 2017. Despite these improvements, drought impacts on overdrafted groundwater basins, forests, and aquatic species in California are long term and will take multiple above-average precipitation years to be resolved.


http://www.californiadrought.org/drough ... onditions/

As DrC noted, two months of rain and snow does not end a drought, it just lessens its affects. California needs years of weather like this year to fully recover - or as Peck suggests, many Californians moving elsewhere.


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Despite these improvements, drought impacts on overdrafted groundwater basins, forests, and aquatic species in California are long term and will take multiple above-average precipitation years to be resolved.[/b][/color]



This is a dream people need to stop buying into. Even if all of California's water capacity was refilled to 100%, it will not last very long. The strain is just too many magnitudes higher than the capacity.

They need to invest in other methods of water production, or move to areas with more resources available.

I prefer moving locations, but that is because I am jaded by the plethora of human environmental modifications that have failed us so many times.


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Mountains in most deserts contain deep gullies from past water erosion. They are still deserts.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:03 pm
 


peck420 wrote:

This is a dream people need to stop buying into. Even if all of California's water capacity was refilled to 100%, it will not last very long. The strain is just too many magnitudes higher than the capacity.

They need to invest in other methods of water production, or move to areas with more resources available.

I prefer moving locations, but that is because I am jaded by the plethora of human environmental modifications that have failed us so many times.


The first thing California needs to do is to stop building more homes in places that don't have any water.

The chatter behind the Delta Tunnels project is that MWDSC needs the water for real estate development in San Bernardino County - most of which is desert. We don't need that project if they don't build into the desert.


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BartSimpson wrote:
peck420 wrote:

This is a dream people need to stop buying into. Even if all of California's water capacity was refilled to 100%, it will not last very long. The strain is just too many magnitudes higher than the capacity.

They need to invest in other methods of water production, or move to areas with more resources available.

I prefer moving locations, but that is because I am jaded by the plethora of human environmental modifications that have failed us so many times.


The first thing California needs to do is to stop building more homes in places that don't have any water.

The chatter behind the Delta Tunnels project is that MWDSC needs the water for real estate development in San Bernardino County - most of which is desert. We don't need that project if they don't build into the desert.


Tell your State to stop mooching off NV, AZ for Power and Water err. There sick of CA's Tree Hugger Welfare BS.


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Amen. We buy power from the largest coal-fired generating plant in the world but because it's in Arizona the greenies run around pretending to be so holy and pure. :roll:


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Amen. We buy power from the largest coal-fired generating plant in the world but because it's in Arizona the greenies run around pretending to be so holy and pure. :roll:


Was in Arizona.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02 ... estern-us/


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:57 am
 


Bart I still think we have you beat. We actually got enough rain in 1 day that erased 10+yrs of drought. This was early last year if I recall correctly. Sense then we have been at basically normal rain fall. Anyone who did not live here 15 years ago is freaking out about how much rain we are having till we tell them this is normal.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:59 am
 


Exactly. And in another fifteen to twenty years we'll have another drought and people will freak out as if it's never happened before. Then they'll freak out when the floods happen just as if they've never happened before.

Chicken Little. :idea:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:04 am
 


BartSimpson wrote:
Exactly. And in another fifteen to twenty years we'll have another drought and people will freak out as if it's never happened before. Then they'll freak out when the floods happen just as if they've never happened before.

Chicken Little. :idea:


Back in the late 70's early 80's I remember Cali having the Forest Fire season, then the rain/mud slide season, then the OMG it's not rained in months season. Then they would laugh during the winters bragging about how great the weather in Cali is.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:01 am
 


Lemmy wrote:
stratos wrote:
Back in the late 70's early 80's I remember Cali having the Forest Fire season, then the rain/mud slide season, then the OMG it's not rained in months season. Then they would laugh during the winters bragging about how great the weather in Cali is.

And they don't any more? Why not?



Oh it still happens just not as much coverage or at least to me it seems to get less coverage.


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