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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:08 pm
 


How our brains fool us on climate, creationism, and the vaccine-autism link.

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"A MAN WITH A CONVICTION is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point." So wrote the celebrated Stanford University psychologist Leon Festinger (PDF), in a passage that might have been referring to climate change denial—the persistent rejection, on the part of so many Americans today, of what we know about global warming and its human causes. But it was too early for that—this was the 1950s—and Festinger was actually describing a famous case study in psychology.


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Consider a person who has heard about a scientific discovery that deeply challenges her belief in divine creation—a new hominid, say, that confirms our evolutionary origins. What happens next, explains political scientist Charles Taber of Stony Brook University, is a subconscious negative response to the new information—and that response, in turn, guides the type of memories and associations formed in the conscious mind. "They retrieve thoughts that are consistent with their previous beliefs," says Taber, "and that will lead them to build an argument and challenge what they're hearing."

In other words, when we think we're reasoning, we may instead be rationalizing. Or to use an analogy offered by University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt: We may think we're being scientists, but we're actually being lawyers (PDF). Our "reasoning" is a means to a predetermined end—winning our "case"—and is shot through with biases. They include "confirmation bias," in which we give greater heed to evidence and arguments that bolster our beliefs, and "disconfirmation bias," in which we expend disproportionate energy trying to debunk or refute views and arguments that we find uncongenial.

That's a lot of jargon, but we all understand these mechanisms when it comes to interpersonal relationships. If I don't want to believe that my spouse is being unfaithful, or that my child is a bully, I can go to great lengths to explain away behavior that seems obvious to everybody else—everybody who isn't too emotionally invested to accept it, anyway. That's not to suggest that we aren't also motivated to perceive the world accurately—we are. Or that we never change our minds—we do. It's just that we have other important goals besides accuracy—including identity affirmation and protecting one's sense of self—and often those make us highly resistant to changing our beliefs when the facts say we should.



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Climategate had a substantial impact on public opinion, according to Anthony Leiserowitz, director of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication. It contributed to an overall drop in public concern about climate change and a significant loss of trust in scientists. But—as we should expect by now—these declines were concentrated among particular groups of Americans: Republicans, conservatives, and those with "individualistic" values. Liberals and those with "egalitarian" values didn't lose much trust in climate science or scientists at all. "In some ways, Climategate was like a Rorschach test," Leiserowitz says, "with different groups interpreting ambiguous facts in very different ways."
Is there a case study of science denial that largely occupies the political left? Yes: the claim that childhood vaccines are causing an epidemic of autism.

So is there a case study of science denial that largely occupies the political left? Yes: the claim that childhood vaccines are causing an epidemic of autism. Its most famous proponents are an environmentalist (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.) and numerous Hollywood celebrities (most notably Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey). The Huffington Post gives a very large megaphone to denialists. And Seth Mnookin, author of the new book The Panic Virus, notes that if you want to find vaccine deniers, all you need to do is go hang out at Whole Foods.

Vaccine denial has all the hallmarks of a belief system that's not amenable to refutation. Over the past decade, the assertion that childhood vaccines are driving autism rates has been undermined by multiple epidemiological studies—as well as the simple fact that autism rates continue to rise, even though the alleged offending agent in vaccines (a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal) has long since been removed.

Yet the true believers persist—critiquing each new study that challenges their views, and even rallying to the defense of vaccine-autism researcher Andrew Wakefield, after his 1998 Lancet paper—which originated the current vaccine scare—was retracted and he subsequently lost his license (PDF) to practice medicine. But then, why should we be surprised? Vaccine deniers created their own partisan media, such as the website Age of Autism, that instantly blast out critiques and counterarguments whenever any new development casts further doubt on anti-vaccine views.

It all raises the question: Do left and right differ in any meaningful way when it comes to biases in processing information, or are we all equally susceptible?


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I see this all the time with people who think the moon landing didn't happen or that 9/11 was a conspiracy.


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I see this all the time with people who think the moon landing didn't happen or that 9/11 was a conspiracy.


There are too many to count. Unfortunately, these personality type end up with the 'the Jews control everything' mindset, as they swirl around the bowl.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:17 pm
 


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Vaccines that use compounds of mercury as preservatives are suspect for neurological damage because, coincidentally, mercury is a known neurotoxin.

The flu vaccine in the USA, for instance, is supposedly 'safe' to have injected into your body. But the MSDS on the vaccine clearly states the hazards of the preservative, which is mercury based thimersol.

http://www.bdipharma.com/MSDS/Novartis/ ... 203-09.pdf

Given that unused vaccines are considered Class 3 hazardous waste in the USA I refuse to take the flu vaccine anymore. I don't feel like exposing myself to mercury.


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Vaccines that use compounds of mercury as preservatives are suspect for neurological damage because, coincidentally, mercury is a known neurotoxin.

The flu vaccine in the USA, for instance, is supposedly 'safe' to have injected into your body. But the MSDS on the vaccine clearly states the hazards of the preservative, which is mercury based thimersol.

http://www.bdipharma.com/MSDS/Novartis/ ... 203-09.pdf

Given that unused vaccines are considered Class 3 hazardous waste in the USA I refuse to take the flu vaccine anymore. I don't feel like exposing myself to mercury.


That's a perfect example Bart. You yourself like to point out the difference in drinking water between stannous flouride and other types of flouride - so what is the difference between elemental Mercury and Thimerosal? Sodium is a very unstable metal, and will explode if it meets water. Chlorine is a corrosive poisonous gas - but add them together and they become 'salt' that we cannot live without. Chemistry changes reactions very differently in compounds versus the components.

The people who were responsible for the Autism/Mercury/vaccine link had their right to practice medicine revoked for their making up facts with respect to their 'study', but yet people still believe the lies they created.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:12 pm
 


I think a simple explanation is in order.

opposition syndrome. that's all there is to it. Science is seen has the big mean authority that cannot be challenge. Therefore the simple opposition syndrome.

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Symptoms of Oppositional Defiant Disorder
The symptoms of ODD may include:

* Temper tantrums

* Continuous arguing

* Defiance of rules

* Continual blaming of others

* Angry and resentful affect

* Spiteful and vindictive behavior

* Frequent use of obscene language


I think we have seen this to behavior too many time here on CKA. Just look at the tread regarding global warming for example.

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That's a perfect example Bart. You yourself like to point out the difference in drinking water between stannous flouride and other types of flouride - so what is the difference between elemental Mercury and Thimerosal? Sodium is a very unstable metal, and will explode if it meets water. Chlorine is a corrosive poisonous gas - but add them together and they become 'salt' that we cannot live without. Chemistry changes reactions very differently in compounds versus the components.

The people who were responsible for the Autism/Mercury/vaccine link had their right to practice medicine revoked for their making up facts with respect to their 'study', but yet people still believe the lies they created.


The thing you're missing here is that this 'stable' compound of mercury is still considered a neurotoxin and a Class 3 hazardous material when disposed.

So if it is so hazardous that the people who dispose of it are mandated by Federal law to wear hazmat suits then how is it that it's magically safe to be injected into my arm?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:30 pm
 


I don't understand this... people who don't believe in science, why don't they fly off the face of the earth. 8O


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I don't understand this... people who don't believe in science, why don't they fly off the face of the earth. 8O

They're in the gym right now doing squats so they can just jump off :wink:


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XKCD might be the greatest thing ever. :)


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raydan wrote:
I don't understand this... people who don't believe in science, why don't they fly off the face of the earth. 8O


Science has yet to explain gravity so perhaps you might want to find another similie to pound on.


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raydan wrote:
I don't understand this... people who don't believe in science, why don't they fly off the face of the earth. 8O


Science has yet to explain gravity so perhaps you might want to find another similie to pound on.

We can still agree that it does have a scientific explanation, just that we can't explain it yet, right?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:28 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
raydan wrote:
I don't understand this... people who don't believe in science, why don't they fly off the face of the earth. 8O


Science has yet to explain gravity so perhaps you might want to find another similie to pound on.


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