[N_Fiddledog]

And wasn't Eric Steig that genius who smeared warming all over the Antarctic from a small warming area, with some sort of magic math, then when MacIntyre basically pulled his math apart said something that basically equated to "Oops. Me bad".

But it was too late. The MSM had gone crazy with the "Antarctic Warming", headline then did no follow up with the "Oops, I was wrong", stuff.

[eureka]

PluggyRug wrote:

eureka wrote:

Tell that to this writer of "gobbledygook." He wrote it and I am sure he would appreciate your correction.

Eric Steig is an isotope geochemist at the University of Washington in Seattle. His primary research interest is use of ice core records to document climate variability in the past. He also works on the geological history of ice sheets, on ice sheet dynamics, on statistical climate analysis, and on atmospheric chemistry.

He received a BA from Hampshire College at Amherst, MA, and M.S. and PhDs in Geological Sciences at the University of Washington, and was a DOE Global Change Graduate fellow. He was on the research faculty at the University of Colorado and taught at the University of Pennsylvania prior to returning to the University of Washington 2001. He has served on the national steering committees for the Ice Core Working Group, the Paleoenvironmental Arctic Sciences initiative, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Initiative, all sponsored by the US National Science Foundation. He was a senior editor of the journal Quaternary Research, and is currently director of the Quaternary Research Center. He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed articles in international journals.

He did not write what you wrote, there's the rub. The fact that burning fossil fuels will add to atmospheric CO2 is undeniable. Your post intimated that there are two CO2 molecules who's ratio has dramatically changed due to C12 C13 and C14.

The difference between the competent and the incompetent is that the incompetent do nor realise how incompetent they are.

Learn to read, or, if you know how to read, then learn to think. It is the ratio between two of the isotopes that signifies.

[eureka]

N_Fiddledog wrote:

And wasn't Eric Steig that genius who smeared warming all over the Antarctic from a small warming area, with some sort of magic math, then when MacIntyre basically pulled his math apart said something that basically equated to "Oops. Me bad".

But it was too late. The MSM had gone crazy with the "Antarctic Warming", headline then did no follow up with the "Oops, I was wrong", stuff.

No McIntyre was wrong as always. And misrepresenting. And lying.

I wonder that you would even raise his name. He is a disgrace ti this country.

[eureka]

In fact, McIntyre, O'donnell and the other twits later wrote a useless paper coying the figures and methodology and claimed that the coast of East Antarctica was warming faster than Steig had said.

Try this for thr facts about Antarctica as investigated by Steig and (I think) Schmidt.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... is-robust/

[BartSimpson]

The German champion of AGW has changed sides...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... e-sceptic/

Quote:

„Seit 12 Jahren ist die Erd-Erwärmung gestoppt!“

When the Germans start running headlines like that in their biggest tabloid newspaper, you know that for the eco loons Der Krieg ist Verloren. It means "Global Warming stopped twelve years ago," and it's part of a serialisation being run by Bild (circulation: 4 million) of Germany's newest surprise bestseller – a climate sceptical book called Die Kalte Sonne (The Cold Sun). (H/T Jay)

What's even more surprising is this: one of the authors, Professor Fritz Vahrenholt, is a former environment minister and well-known green activist. P Gosselin at No Tricks Zone has the story:


What has set it all off? One of the fathers of Germany’s modern green movement, Professor Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt, a social democrat and green activist, decided to author a climate science skeptical book together with geologist/paleontologist Dr. Sebastian Lüning. Vahrenholt’s skepticism started when he was asked to review an IPCC report on renewable energy. He found hundreds of errors. When he pointed them out, IPCC officials simply brushed them aside. Stunned, he asked himself, “Is this the way they approached the climate assessment reports?”

Vahrenholt decided to do some digging. His colleague Dr. Lüning also gave him a copy of Andrew Montford’s The Hockey Stick Illusion. He was horrified by the sloppiness and deception he found. Persuaded by Hoffmann & Campe, he and Lüning decided to write the book. Die kalte Sonne cites 800 sources and has over 80 charts and figures. It examines and summarizes the latest science.

According to the Global Warming Policy Foundation's Benny Peiser, himself a former member of the German green movement, Vahrenholt's U-turn represents a huge blow to the climate alarmist camp. (For further details read this GWPF account and also this one)


"Imagine if George Monbiot were suddenly to declare himself a climate sceptic. That's how massive this story is!"

[PluggyRug]

eureka wrote:

PluggyRug wrote:

eureka wrote:

Tell that to this writer of "gobbledygook." He wrote it and I am sure he would appreciate your correction.

Eric Steig is an isotope geochemist at the University of Washington in Seattle. His primary research interest is use of ice core records to document climate variability in the past. He also works on the geological history of ice sheets, on ice sheet dynamics, on statistical climate analysis, and on atmospheric chemistry.

He received a BA from Hampshire College at Amherst, MA, and M.S. and PhDs in Geological Sciences at the University of Washington, and was a DOE Global Change Graduate fellow. He was on the research faculty at the University of Colorado and taught at the University of Pennsylvania prior to returning to the University of Washington 2001. He has served on the national steering committees for the Ice Core Working Group, the Paleoenvironmental Arctic Sciences initiative, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Initiative, all sponsored by the US National Science Foundation. He was a senior editor of the journal Quaternary Research, and is currently director of the Quaternary Research Center. He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed articles in international journals.

He did not write what you wrote, there's the rub. The fact that burning fossil fuels will add to atmospheric CO2 is undeniable. Your post intimated that there are two CO2 molecules who's ratio has dramatically changed due to C12 C13 and C14.

The difference between the competent and the incompetent is that the incompetent do nor realise how incompetent they are.

Learn to read, or, if you know how to read, then learn to think. It is the ratio between two of the isotopes that signifies.

Signifies what? That the ratio has changed or that you are reading something into it that's not there.

[PluggyRug]

andyt wrote:

PluggyRug wrote:

He did not write what you wrote, there's the rub. The fact that burning fossil fuels will add to atmospheric CO2 is undeniable. Your post intimated that there are two CO2 molecules who's ratio has dramatically changed due to C12 C13 and C14.

The difference between the competent and the incompetent is that the incompetent do nor realise how incompetent they are.

Are you seriously disputing that plants take up a different ratio of C12/13 vs the atmospheric ratio, or that the atmospheric ratio has changed to be close to that of plants as we've dumped more plant based carbon into it?

No. Just disputing Eureka's inept attempt to bolster his erroneous assumptions.

[andyt]

PluggyRug wrote:

andyt wrote:

PluggyRug wrote:

He did not write what you wrote, there's the rub. The fact that burning fossil fuels will add to atmospheric CO2 is undeniable. Your post intimated that there are two CO2 molecules who's ratio has dramatically changed due to C12 C13 and C14.

The difference between the competent and the incompetent is that the incompetent do nor realise how incompetent they are.

Are you seriously disputing that plants take up a different ratio of C12/13 vs the atmospheric ratio, or that the atmospheric ratio has changed to be close to that of plants as we've dumped more plant based carbon into it?

No. Just disputing Eureka's inept attempt to bolster his erroneous assumptions.

If you're not disputing that, then you're agreeing with Eureka who's citing what I think is settled science.

[PluggyRug]

andyt wrote:

If you're not disputing that, then you're agreeing with Eureka who's citing what I think is settled science.

Unlike some, I believe there's nothing settled about science.

[BartSimpson]

PluggyRug wrote:

andyt wrote:

If you're not disputing that, then you're agreeing with Eureka who's citing what I think is settled science.

Unlike some, I believe there's nothing settled about science.

And that, my friends, is the heart of a true scientist. +1

[Curtman]

BartSimpson wrote:

PluggyRug wrote:

andyt wrote:

If you're not disputing that, then you're agreeing with Eureka who's citing what I think is settled science.

Unlike some, I believe there's nothing settled about science.

And that, my friends, is the heart of a true scientist. +1

Was that the topic at the most recent meeting of the Flat Earth Society

[BartSimpson]

Curtman wrote:

Was that the topic at the most recent meeting of the Flat Earth Society

Interestingly, that site link has a banner promoting 'free thinking' which is a code word for atheism. I'm guessing the 'flat earth' thing is just toungue-in-cheek.

[eureka]

Perhaps, Vahrenholt will one day get the Nobel for fiction, Bart. Delingpole in the Telegraph, Gosselin in his hysterical blog. Peiser at the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

All serial deniers and liars, pick up a serialised work of anti science in the German newspaper that rivals the Telegraph in its serial denial. And you want it taken seriously!

Do you not wonder why the world of science is taking no notice?

I thought of posting this the other day in case you did not see it, but I had real things to read.

[BartSimpson]

eureka wrote:

I thought of posting this the other day in case you did not see it, but I had real things to read.

Like your regimental history? What regiment was that again?

[ShepherdsDog]

His new pop up story and colouring book were delivered to his ward. Those and his Battlefield 3 strategy guide...which is likely the only exposure he's ever had to anything resembling the military. As I type he's redeploying to Karkand.