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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:37 pm
 


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Mathematically speaking, ET would have found us by now — if he exists — so we’re being consciously avoided for some reason, a new study concludes.

"We're either alone, or they’re out there and leave us alone," mathematician Thomas Hair, with Florida Gulf Coast University in Fort Myers, told Discovery News.

Hair, who presented his research at the Mathematical Association of America in Boston earlier this month, based his approximation of what he considered to be extremely conservative estimates for how long it would take a society to muster up the resources and technological know-how to leave its home world and travel to another star. Even at the relatively sedate pace of 1 percent of light-speed, the aliens would arrive at their nearest neighbor star in about 500 years.

Light travels at about 186,000 miles per second.

Figure another 500 years to build new ships, set out again, and so on and so on, and the calculations show that civilizations starting out from the oldest stars in our galaxy would have had epochs of time to reach us by now. So where are they?

"They've either passed us by, or they stay around their home star systems and contemplate their navels," Hair said.

There could be several reasons why we’re not listed in intergalactic Yelp. Perhaps most important is that we don't have anything aliens need.

"Any ancient civilization is probably not biological. They don’t need a place like Earth. They don’t need to come here and steal our water. There’s plenty of it out in the outer solar system where the gravity is not so great and they can just take all they want," Hair said.

Or perhaps modern-day extraterrestrials are following routes laid out long ago, all of which bypass Earth, he added.

Whatever the reason we're being ignored, there is no chance ET, if he exists, does not know we are here, Hair said, pointing to telescopes, such as NASA's Kepler observatory, which can detect planets around other stars.

If humans living on a planet that is roughly 5 billion years old have technology like Kepler, an alien civilization with another 10 million years of experience under its belt would have advanced much further, Hair maintains.

"I'm sure they’d be able to detect if this planet had life on it. Just the CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) in our atmosphere would give us away," he said.

NEWS: NASA Refutes Alien Discovery Claim

CFCs are compounds typically found in refrigerants and aerosol products that release chlorine atoms when exposed to ultraviolet light and erode Earth's ozone layer.

University of Minnesota physicist Woods Halley, who just published a book about the prospects of extraterrestrial life, says we don’t know enough about how life got started on Earth to be able to recognize alien life, even if it were staring us in the face.

"I think there are three options," Halley told Discovery News. "Life is rare, which I think has a reasonable probability of being correct. Life is weird — every time you run into it, it's extremely different from the last time you saw it. Life is dull, meaning you will find something that looks a lot like life on Earth and our problems (in detecting life) are technical.

"I've come to the view that they’re all possible, but the preponderance of evidence most likely fits the first — we are rare," Halley said.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:50 pm
 


could be that we have the equivalency of a warning sign outside our system warning aliens away


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:11 pm
 


List of things he more than likely didn't think of:

- The aliens only recent evolved to the level of intelligence needed
- The aliens are busy elsewhere
- The aliens don't fly at the speed of light
- The aliens don't know we are here
- The aliens are exploring the wrong way
- The aliens developed slower than us
- The aliens have us on an invasion list but haven't gotten around to us yet


The list goes on and on.


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Earth is in the galactic backwater. Ain't much of anything happening here, outside of our limited capabilites, to generate much interest in the area.
And even though our earliest radio signals are now about 110 light years out, potentially reaching dozens of inhabited worlds, assuming they have the technology to receive radio comms, inverse square law dictates the signal would be virtually indistinguishable from background noise.
A radio signal is only about 1/4 the strength once it reaches twice the distance from the source.
Or to put it in terrestrial terms, it would be like trying to detect a pebble dropped into the ocean off the Japanese coast, from British Columbia.

Because we are so far out towards the galactic rim, I think it would be a case of shit-luck if aliens actually did find us.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:14 am
 


Nah..... The aliens are here all the time. They keep coming back to deposit more of their mentally retarded and criminals here on this handicapped penal colony. Most turn out to be politicians or American Idol contestants when they grow up.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:49 pm
 


there was an interesting Outer Limits(I believe) episode where aliens show up and tell earth that they are there to judge humans(who were an experiment) and if they fail their evaluation, they'll be eliminated. So all the nations of the earth come together and hammer out a peace deal to prove to the aliens that we can live in peace. Wrong move. We were created to be the ultimate soldiers.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:37 pm
 


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Nah..... The aliens are here all the time. They keep coming back to deposit more of their mentally retarded and criminals here on this handicapped penal colony. Most turn out to be politicians or American Idol contestants when they grow up.



How true! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:39 pm
 


Of course, there's always the possibility they already found us and are keeping their distance from an obviously fucked up civilization :lol:


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could be that we have the equivalency of a warning sign outside our system warning aliens away



Probably something like "TURN BACK! NO SIGNS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE AHEAD!"

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:53 pm
 


E.T. already found us when they watched the Jersey Shore..


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:09 pm
 


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Of course, there's always the possibility they already found us and are keeping their distance from an obviously fucked up civilization :lol:


They saw a few too many GOP debates and extra-gay episodes of "Glee" and decided that we're too fucked up for them to want anything to do with us. 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:32 pm
 


When reality TV signals finally get picked up, the armada will be launched to exterminate humanity.....I want to say thank you in advance.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:21 pm
 


Actually, more than 200,000 years ago it was aliens who provided the "missing link" which allowed mankind to evolve into homo sapiens and therefore go on to populate the Earth as we know it now. Sooner or later they will return to "harvest" the crop!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:07 pm
 


Sagan said that an ant by the side of a highway is about the same gap between us and some advanced intergalactic civilization. Yes they could find us... but why would they? If we stumbled upon them we would understand them as much as a dog understands god.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ozdwdlNVpQ#t=6m45s


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