[Newsbot]

Title: World's hottest decade adds pressure for climate accord
Category: Environmental
Posted By: bootlegga
Date: 2009-12-08 21:35:02
Canadian

[stemmer]

Boy those east Anglia fraud numbers are really distorting the statistics...

[BartSimpson]

Bullsh*t.

[gigs]

This BS becomes news even before it happens.

"The decade 2000-2009 is very likely to be the warmest on record, warmer than the 1990s, which were in turn warmer than the 1980s," World Meteorological Organisation Secretary General Michel Jarraud told a press conference.

[ridenrain]

More lying peers supporting other lying peers.

[N_Fiddledog]

Quote:

"The decade 2000-2009 is very likely to be the warmest on record, warmer than the 1990s, which were in turn warmer than the 1980s,"

Sounds true, but so what. The globe warmed as we came out of the little ice age. As it warmed civilization advanced, as it always does. We had an industrial revolution. This released more of the benign gas CO2. It was a lucky thing, because plants love CO2, and biomass increased. We could feed our growing population.

If you check a graph you'll see the world warmed in trends of about 30 years. 30 years up. 30 years down. The trends up were larger than the trends down for the last century. This pattern follows ocean oscillations more loyally than any other co-relation. In the 20th century there were 2 trends up, and one trend down. In the 21st we can expect 2 down, and 1 up. Reasonably we should expect cooling, or a century of flattening.

So we warmed out of the little ice age to a peak at around 1998, similar to the peak of the Medieval Warm Period, then we plateaued at the top. What's the problem?

[Robair]

Quote:

"I feel we're on pretty solid ground in interpreting orbit around the sun as the primary driving force behind ice-age glaciation. The relationship is just too clear and consistent to allow reasonable doubt," Dr. Kukla said. "It's either that, or climate drives orbit, and that just doesn't make sense."

[Lemmy]

N_Fiddledog wrote:

Sounds true, but so what. The globe warmed as we came out of the little ice age. As it warmed civilization advanced, as it always does. We had an industrial revolution. This released more of the benign gas CO2. It was a lucky thing, because plants love CO2, and biomass increased. We could feed our growing population.

Another point tied to that is the fact that, during the 19th century, Canada and the USA were cleared of the their forests as the continent was settled. Most of that timber was burned, not for fuel but just to get rid of it. In terms of CO2 emissions, the clearing and burning of trees in North America was far and away the largest CO2 injection into the environment in history, and this occurred PRIOR to the industrial revolution in North America. And yet we criticize Brazilians for clearing the rainforest when that was exactly what was done in North America in the 1800s.

[Brenda]

Lemmy wrote:

And yet we criticize Brazilians for clearing the rainforest when that was exactly what was done in North America in the 1800s.

And here I was, thinking a Brazilian was to create wood, not to get rid of it... Silly me...










(I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist that one. )

[N_Fiddledog]

Lemmy wrote:

Another point tied to that is the fact that, during the 19th century, Canada and the USA were cleared of the their forests as the continent was settled. Most of that timber was burned, not for fuel but just to get rid of it. In terms of CO2 emissions, the clearing and burning of trees in North America was far and away the largest CO2 injection into the environment in history, and this occurred PRIOR to the industrial revolution in North America. And yet we criticize Brazilians for clearing the rainforest when that was exactly what was done in North America in the 1800s.

Presently the problem there is the burning of rain forest for bio-fuels.

Luckily modern foresting practices allow us to regrow and manage forests more successfully. Also there was a recent study showing how the increase of man's buddy, the miracle gas CO2 has been growing forests 50% faster.

[Zipperfish]

Lemmy wrote:

Another point tied to that is the fact that, during the 19th century, Canada and the USA were cleared of the their forests as the continent was settled. Most of that timber was burned, not for fuel but just to get rid of it. In terms of CO2 emissions, the clearing and burning of trees in North America was far and away the largest CO2 injection into the environment in history, and this occurred PRIOR to the industrial revolution in North America. And yet we criticize Brazilians for clearing the rainforest when that was exactly what was done in North America in the 1800s.

That's funny, I could have sworn I sawe some forest the other day. Are you sure they burned all of it?

[Hyack]

Brenda wrote:

Lemmy wrote:

And yet we criticize Brazilians for clearing the rainforest when that was exactly what was done in North America in the 1800s.

And here I was, thinking a Brazilian was to create wood, not to get rid of it... Silly me...










(I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist that one. )

THAT was just terrible....

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog wrote:

Quote:

"The decade 2000-2009 is very likely to be the warmest on record, warmer than the 1990s, which were in turn warmer than the 1980s,"

Sounds true, but so what. The globe warmed as we came out of the little ice age. As it warmed civilization advanced, as it always does. We had an industrial revolution. This released more of the benign gas CO2. It was a lucky thing, because plants love CO2, and biomass increased. We could feed our growing population.

If you check a graph you'll see the world warmed in trends of about 30 years. 30 years up. 30 years down. The trends up were larger than the trends down for the last century. This pattern follows ocean oscillations more loyally than any other co-relation. In the 20th century there were 2 trends up, and one trend down. In the 21st we can expect 2 down, and 1 up. Reasonably we should expect cooling, or a century of flattening.

So we warmed out of the little ice age to a peak at around 1998, similar to the peak of the Medieval Warm Period, then we plateaued at the top. What's the problem?

Well, I see you dropped the old story and moved onto a new one seamlessly. What happened to "no warming since 1998." Now it's back to "well sure there's warming but we're coming out of an ice age." Plants don't always "love CO2." The pines here in BC aren't all that impressed with the warmer weather brought about by CO2, since it brought a nasty pine beetle infestation with it.

[ridenrain]

I'm trying to picture the actual impact that guys with axes could have. Would it really be any different than the occasional forest fire?

[Brenda]

Hyack wrote:

THAT was just terrible....

This so maniest thread on global warming deserves it.