[iluvfreebeer]

Canuckistanians living in denial.<br /> That's just soooooo cute.<br /> <br />

[Jesse]

You continue to prove that you have nothing to offer but insults. If you wish to be taken seriously, you should try arguing your points with facts and information, rather than grade school bullying.

[wadestock]

Canada, I hope you remain as irrelevant as possible in the minds of Americans. It could be one of your key hopes for the future.<br /> <br /> I've seen America degrade miserably under 8 years of Reagan and now Bush. Americans are truly on edge, and possibly in a mass psychosis since 911. This is the type of rhetoric that you'll find very common now in America. <br /> <br /> You can cut American arrogance and ignorance with a knife. Yes on a national level Canada may be only 8% of the US GNP. But who is benefitting from this enormous US GNP?<br /> Facts are facts. Since Reaganism and now the obscene tax breaks to the rich in history, the middle class has constantly lost assets since 1980 with few exceptions.<br /> <br /> Our upper 1% controls (arguably because the government doesn't track these assets accurately) as much as 50 Trillion. America now represents a no holds barred free wheeling capitalistic environment in which those with money can potentially become ungodly rich, but in which the society and culture is becoming sick at an incredible rate.<br /> <br /> For all intents and purposes, you are seeing an exact model for what NOT to do with free enterprise (let it completely run the show and don't tax it fairly) and turning as much away from a fair progressive tax towards a flat tax (the dream of the right wing here, which propels money to the top even fast and will spell the final death knell for our middle class). <br /> <br /> A society doesn't progress by producing output that favors one tenth of one percent of the population. You should hope and pray that Canada stays as far away from this capitalistic experiment gone bad as much as possible.

[Mazie]

I must say that this whole conversation is just about as close as I can come to how I feel about the whole 'US vs Canada' debate. I have never come across a closer approximation of the exact differances I have always felt were lurking in the debate.<br /> However 'different' we are. Vive Le Canada, and Thank You.

[iluvfreebeer]

It's cute to see all the canuckians clucking about not being irrelevant in the world stage. You guys rank right up their with Denmark and Myanamar with your importance.<br /> I can't wait until we send troops into ottowa and and B52s over Montreal. You canuckians have no military left to stop us. Once we clear out all the anti-American commies, we'll have some prime hunting lands and more oil.

[Jesse]

[QUOTE BY= iluvfreebeer] It's cute to see all the canuckians clucking about not being irrelevant in the world stage. You guys rank right up their with Denmark and Myanamar with your importance.<br /> I can't wait until we send troops into ottowa and and B52s over Montreal. You canuckians have no military left to stop us. Once we clear out all the anti-American commies, we'll have some prime hunting lands and more oil.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> People like you are the reason that Americans are hated around the world. That sort of talk is ignorant and self-centered, and only shows how little thinking you have ever done. Why are you posting on a pro-Canada website? Why don't you go hunt terrorists or build luxury homes in New Orleans instead?

[Guest]

[QUOTE BY= iluvfreebeer] It's cute to see all the canuckians clucking about not being irrelevant in the world stage. You guys rank right up their with Denmark and Myanamar with your importance.<br /> I can't wait until we send troops into ottowa and and B52s over Montreal. You canuckians have no military left to stop us. Once we clear out all the anti-American commies, we'll have some prime hunting lands and more oil.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> You're basically correct. Canada has no army. The New York Police department alone is bigger than all of Canada's combined armed forces (land/sea/air)<br /> <br /> Basically Canadians have relied upon American protection for decades now thanks to Geography. <br /> <br /> Canadians of course will never mention this since even self-absorbed bitches that Canucks are, they know when to shut their mouths.<br /> <br />

[Guest]

[QUOTE BY= jesse]<br /> People like you are the reason that Americans are hated around the world.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What are you going to do about it? Hijack jets and crash them into U.S. buildings?<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= jesse]That sort of talk is ignorant and self-centered, and only shows how little thinking you have ever done. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I think Americans have a term for it: FREEDOM OF SPEECH?<br /> <br /> Doesn't apply here in Canada, but it's nice to see examples of it everynow and again.<br /> <br /> Thanks America. You're keeping it real.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= jesse]Why don't you go hunt terrorists or build luxury homes in New Orleans instead?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Why don't you just call Americans "niggers" while you're at it? <br />

[Guest]

[QUOTE BY= lesouris] What's so bad about socialism? I'm not saying that what we have in Canada is socialism, but if socialism is defined as the pursuit of equality for all citizens, what's so bad about that? [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> EVERYTHING!<br /> <br /> On the most basic of levels, 'equality' is b.s. not everyone is equal. Some are born into better lives than others. <br /> <br /> What about those who wish to IMPROVE their lives? what about those who wish to get a better job? Start their own business? Invest in their future?<br /> <br /> With a 50+ percent tax rate on all low-middle income and a 70+ percent tax rate on the rich here in this country, it ENFORCES POVERTY.<br /> <br /> It's VERY DIFFICULT to raise CAPITAL so that those wishing to make a better life for themselves cannot INVEST in their own business. Instead they have to rely on the banks with their high interest rates.<br /> <br /> I know of several small mom&pop operations that would LOVE to hire more people to help expand their business. Problem is: THEY CAN'T. The government tax rates basically render that impossible.<br /> <br /> Sure, if you want to work for the government, be my guest. However it's always been the private sector that has made money and helped expand commerce/industry our very standard of living.<br /> <br /> Socialism basically is completely agains that.<br /> <br /> Socialism basically wants to lock everyone into a povery-zone in which they can only afford to shop at Goodwill and Wal-Mart. <br /> <br /> A lot of Canucks bash Wal-Mart endlessly...but seriously, where else can you buy Wal-Mart's stuff for cheap? Most people can't afford anything above their starvation wages and punitive taxes.<br /> <br /> Like I said, if you eliminate/reduce the taxes, the poor will have more money and they'll buy/invest more into their lives.<br /> <br /> Smaller government can do this. Liberals/Progressives cry foul whenever this idea comes up because it means that they will have LESS CONTROL over the public.<br /> <br /> That's what socialism is all about CONTROL.

[Milton]

Then on the other hand, western governments tax the poor to build the infrastructure that the rich claim they should be able to use for free because they provide low paying jobs to help people earn a living. Then they provide cheap goods that are produced in labor camps and sweatshops and are sold by underpayed staff. They then justify this by stating that they are doing a service by allowing poor people to buy their crap. It is when the few usurp the rights of the many to improve themselves that government capitalism should be tossed into the dumpster. The claim that entrepreneurs seek to help anybody but themselves has never been documented. The fact that their activities are destroying the meta-physical and physical environment of the planet is ignored. <br /> <br /> The statement that Canada is irrelevant is irrelevant.

[Jesse]

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] <br /> I think Americans have a term for it: FREEDOM OF SPEECH?<br /> <br /> Doesn't apply here in Canada, but it's nice to see examples of it everynow and again.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are also free of criticism, free to spout lies without being corrected, or free to spew libel. You can say whatever you want, but in return people who actually have facts will continue to prove your ignorance. <br /> <br /> Calling Canada "irrelevant" is much like calling the sky "orange"; doing so won't change a thing, and is contrary to the available evidence. 5 minutes of research can save you from looking like an ignoramus.

[Guest]

One thing I do know that Canada EXCEEDS America at is POLLUTION. Canada has caused more than DOUBLE the amount of Carbon Monoxide pollution in the last 15+ years than the U.S.A.<br /> <br /> In all levels, America is surpassing Canada in pro-enviromental statistics (cleaner air/water, etc).<br /> <br /> Where did I get this info? from the Kyoto commission of course. <br /> <br /> You all know Kyoto right? The same group that George Bush walked away from? And Canada is embracing? <br /> <br /> Maybe Canada should embrace America and learn a thing or two from the Americans over REDUCING AIR POLLUTION.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Milton] Then on the other hand, western governments tax the poor to build the infrastructure that the rich claim they should be able to use for free because they provide low paying jobs to help people earn a living. Then they provide cheap goods that are produced in labor camps and sweatshops and are sold by underpayed staff. They then justify this by stating that they are doing a service by allowing poor people to buy their crap. It is when the few usurp the rights of the many to improve themselves that government capitalism should be tossed into the dumpster. The claim that entrepreneurs seek to help anybody but themselves has never been documented. The fact that their activities are destroying the meta-physical and physical environment of the planet is ignored. <br /> <br /> The statement that Canada is irrelevant is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

[Guest]

[QUOTE BY= jesse] [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Calling Canada "irrelevant" is much like calling the sky "orange"; doing so won't change a thing, and is contrary to the available evidence. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I guess you've never seen a sunset then huh?<br /> <br />

[Jesse]

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] <br /> I guess you've never seen a sunset then huh?<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I've also seen red sunsets, yellow sunsets, and even purple sunsets. I agree that the sky is sometimes orange. Likewise I agree that Canada, depending on the subject at hand, is not a world leader. To say that "the sky is orange" without qualification is exactly akin to saying that "canada is irrelevant"; both are completely useless statements. <br /> <br /> I have demonstrated that I can see gray areas. Your turn.

[Brent Swain]

Turn off the oil, electricity and gas and see how irrelevant we are to the US<br /> Brent