[z_whalen]

Yippee! Another point of view! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[civiltech]

[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Yippee! Another point of view! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />You are a funny man! But have a good point nonetheless! <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

[z_whalen]

I just saw Team America. If you can take the comedy I recommend checking it out. It's nice to see a movie that bashes everyone. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

[civiltech]

It is rough around the edges, but like South Park the movie...has a moral buried in there somewhere.......... <br />

[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= civiltech] It is rough around the edges, but like South Park the movie...has a moral buried in there somewhere.......... <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />yeah and it is also good entertainment <br /> <br />*dolls that all look like Kurt Russell* <br />*Erotic Doll sex* <br />*Lots of explosions* <br />*Evil doll dictators* <br />*crazy ass doll kungfu*

[N Say]

There's an anti-Moore film out called "Michael Moore Hates America" also: <br />http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/ <br />it's supposed to be like Moore's "Roger & Me" where he tries to confront Roger... whatshisface GM boss, except the film makers are trying to confront Mike Moore about... something. I can't remember what that something is.

[jared]

Oh yes, I heard about that one; they made fun of the guy making it on the Daily Show. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

[canuck]

[QUOTE BY= civiltech] [QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Yippee! Another point of view! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />You are a funny man! But have a good point nonetheless! <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Why do you guys make it sound like there was never a supporting view of bush and that this view hasn't been dominating the news media for years already? Perhaps this is the reason why the only well known opposition is from a guy who has to make his own movies in order to get the word out in the US. <br /> <br />It doesn't matter if Moore's films are biased, nor does it seem to deter those who have built a cottage industry on nothing but attacking moore: the integrity of the facts presented in his films have already been rigorously tested (otherwise Moore would have been sued for libel 50 times over by now).

[z_whalen]

It's not that the facts are off, Canuck, it they way they are presented. Moore tends to twist reality to suit his own agenda. I commend Moore for showing us a different point of view, biased as it is. What irks me is that he expects everyone to agree with his opinions, and if they don't, they are deemed "tools" of the corporations. Like any ideologue, Moore could not hold up in a debate, because he is not able to see things from both sides. The thing that bothers me is not so much his movies, but they way in which they are viewed. You have to watch objectively. You have to say to yourself "okay, the point of this movie is not really to inform, but to make Bush look as bad as possible."

[Reverend Blair]

But the nice thing about Moore is that you know he would do the same thing to a Democrat. Hell, he's even done it to Ralph Nader. <br /> <br />I find the whole Michael Moore phenomenon amazing. They went after him harder than they went after Kerry and Moore is still doing the same the same thing he's been doing since Roger and Me.

[civiltech]

[QUOTE BY= Canuck] [QUOTE BY= civiltech] [QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Yippee! Another point of view! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />You are a funny man! But have a good point nonetheless! <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Why do you guys make it sound like there was never a supporting view of bush and that this view hasn't been dominating the news media for years already? Perhaps this is the reason why the only well known opposition is from a guy who has to make his own movies in order to get the word out in the US. <br /> <br />It doesn't matter if Moore's films are biased, nor does it seem to deter those who have built a cottage industry on nothing but attacking moore: the integrity of the facts presented in his films have already been rigorously tested (otherwise Moore would have been sued for libel 50 times over by now). [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />the reason he can't be sued was cause he uses a lot of the same techniques tabloids, and biased media uses like saying "he was probabl thinking" or "coincidentally this was hapenning" or "it's probable to believe that"...etc. <br /> <br />In fact, most of his points have not stood up to scrutiny. I enjoyed Bowling for Columbine, but this movie was simply a "Mockumentary" to discredit Bush at any cost before the election. <br /> <br />There are several legitimate debates about Bush, Moore wasn't interested in that. He understands that to win the public over, you need to keep there attention with fancy music, and shock value, and the truth may or may not have a place in their! <br /> <br />

[arc628]

I like to think of Michael Moore as pornography for Liberals. That being said, I love his movies and have read most of his books! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

[Reverend Blair]

That may be true civiltech, but what says has far more truth to it than the vast majority of what come out of the Bush White House. The difference is that Moore makes movies. Bush kills people.

[hermanator_st]

Good point, <br /> <br />It must make you feel good to continually criticize some guy with a video camera and an opinion, so that you can divert your attention from the leader of a country, Who's errors are costing the lives of thousands of innocent American soldiers, as well as innocent Iraqis. Not to mention forcing more Americans than ever to live in poverty.

[civiltech]

[QUOTE BY= hermanator_st] Good point, <br /> <br />It must make you feel good to continually criticize some guy with a video camera and an opinion, so that you can divert your attention from the leader of a country, Who's errors are costing the lives of thousands of innocent American soldiers, as well as innocent Iraqis. Not to mention forcing more Americans than ever to live in poverty.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Ah yes, always back to this point. Shoot Bush down, but don't question the critics, thats wrong! I don't like Bush. But at least we can see what he's up to. Moore professes to be the underdog's alley, but he's full of it. Bush could learn a lot from a guy like moore who takes half truths, slants storeys, takes comments out of context, and presents them to the public and says "look at that, oh my god!!!" <br /> <br />Actually, now that I think of it....both of those guys are really opposite sides of the same coin! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> <br /> <br />That aside, I don't understand how you can say innocent American soldier when someone is paid to go and kill others, or work for a body whoes job is to kill others. <br />