[z_whalen]

Hey Robert apology accepted and I too have been a little more vicious than usual in the last few daysso I apologize too for seeming so grumpy. <br /> <br />If you look at my previous posts you'll find that I do usually end up doing my best to clarify my position. I don't mind elaborating when I feel that people are actually putting some thought into what I am saying. <br /> <br />I agree with your right to protest, I just don't personally endorse every protest I see. I don't see what there is to protest about Bush coming to Canada. We're a friendly country, and anyone is welcome to visit. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= robert_fisher] Fair enough?!?!?! <br /> <br />Answer me this. Why is it that you are not looking forward to the protests? Those are people who are taking a public stance, not an internet stance. <br /> <br />I don't understand why people look at protests with such distain. If you look back through history, it is the people who make a difference, by standing up for what they believe in. I think Venezuela is a good example of that. It's just in our apathetic society that we think protesters are a 'bunch of rowdies looking for a party.' <br /> <br /> <br />Please don't get so upset about explaining yourself 4 or 5 times, if what you are writing is important to you then you should explain yourself until your position is clear. I do apologize for my statement previous to this one, apparently, I must have missed that last line. I do not however apologize for my protest against Bush as a president, or Martin as PM for that matter. The two party system is forced onto our society, by the media, and the parties themselves. It's unfair to expect the NDP/Nader to compete without corporate sponsorships, while the GOP/Dem/Cons/Libs have lobbyists telling them what the party line is![/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I agree Robert protests are a useful tool and can have a dramatic impact on how things are done but recently protests have taken on a mutated form. Its not really a protest anymore which makes me kind of sad its a bunch of professionals paid by some political action group out to promote that groups agenda. Also a lot of trouble makers and unwanted people show up at protests and give the protestors a bad name. <br /> <br />I see no problem with a peaceful protestors its those arrogant pricks that make the State waste millions of dollars on police bills because some pricks can't stop themselves from destroying shit!!!! Those are the types of people that give protesting a bad name <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'>

[arc628]

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />Their is a lot more support for Bush then you might think in Canada its just that anything outside of Ontario never gets noticed <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> [/QUOTE] <br />No, there isn't. There really isn't. The anti-Bush sentiment is obviously amplified on this site and at the protests you see on tv. But the <b>OVERWHELMING</b> opinion of W, in Canada, is negative. Macleans hs had a few articles in the last few months called 'Hope You Lose, eh?' and more recently 'What Canadians Think of Americans' discussing this nations disdain for Bush.

[arc628]

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] Its not really a protest anymore which makes me kind of sad its a bunch of professionals paid by some political action group out to promote that groups agenda. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Paid protestors? Uh-huh, sure buddy. What protests have you been going to<img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'><img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/question.gif' alt='Question'> <br />

[Crankster]

Someone asked"SO now what about the next 4yrs? <br /> Business as uasaul. Few thousand more dead Iraqis,economy sodeep in the toilet that you might as well flush it.Hardline stance as fascism takes complete hold etc etc etc etc. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'>

[robert_fisher]

[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] <br />I agree with your right to protest, I just don't personally endorse every protest I see. I don't see what there is to protest about Bush coming to Canada. We're a friendly country, and anyone is welcome to visit. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I think there are a few things that we are forgetting about that Canada is supposed stands for: <br /> <br />-Equality <br />-Health Care <br />-Environmental Protection <br />-Education <br />-Freedom of Speech <br /> <br />Now. Which of these things in the past four years has George Bush promoted. None. So, when he comes to our country to promote what he stands for: <br /> <br />-Inequality <br />-Private Health Care <br />-Environmental Destruction <br />-Undereducation <br />-Repression of Speech <br /> <br />You'd excpect if we really believed in what we stood for as a nation, we would take a stance against those that took a stance against our fundamentals. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Its not really a protest anymore which makes me kind of sad its a bunch of professionals paid by some political action group out to promote that groups agenda. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />You find me these groups that pay you to shout your opinion and throw bricks through Starbucks windows and I'll sign up, my bank account could use a little bit of an advance! <br /> <br />As far as I am concerned that is garbage.

[civiltech]

My understanding from the debates between Kery and Bush is that Bush has pumped more hundreds of millions into public education and subsidies for poor Americans to go to college after secondary studies. <br /> <br />I have not heard of any other injections of cash into other public sector areas.

[Milton]

Civiltech, please provide the links that back up what you think George has done for education.

[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= arc628] [QUOTE BY= Stymiest] Its not really a protest anymore which makes me kind of sad its a bunch of professionals paid by some political action group out to promote that groups agenda. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Paid protestors? Uh-huh, sure buddy. What protests have you been going to<img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'><img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/question.gif' alt='Question'> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />A couple as a matter of fact. Just went to one this summer at Bennett Environmental soil treatment plant just to snoop. I hate wacko environmentalists especially the hypocrits who are just fucking idiots anyways considering the company plant produces less emissions then the local hospital and the company had to hire a cleaning company to pick the garbage up from the protest after (hypocrits)

[civiltech]

[QUOTE BY= Milton] Civiltech, please provide the links that back up what you think George has done for education. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />I don't have any "links" young one! I just watched it on this old fashioned thing we call a TV! It was the second or third debate between the lesser of two evils. (I can't remember which one.) <br /> <br />

[civiltech]

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] My idea of a protest <br /> <br />Bunch of pot smoking pussies out sipping on triple-chocolate-anus-lattes talking about how bad they are treated and how bad a country is. Worst thing is they are actually making everyone elses lives a living hell by being royal pains in the ass and impeding on everyone elses daily lives. <br /> <br />Personally I don't really care what their agenda is because its probably some insignificant bullshit like the smear campaign against Bennett (Cuntfucking Quebecers) [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />A little harsh even for my tastes! However, I have talked to many protestors and the problem is in my humble opinion: <br /> <br />Like this forum, they surround themselves whith like minded rhetoric, and never see another side of the story. Hence, they perpetuate there radical views, and push eachother on to more and more violent actions. (Not all protestors though <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> ) <br /> <br />The Ontario Coalition Against Poverty is an excellent example. good intentions initially, violent against anyone who tries to stake out a living though. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= civiltech] [QUOTE BY= Stymiest] My idea of a protest <br /> <br />Bunch of pot smoking pussies out sipping on triple-chocolate-anus-lattes talking about how bad they are treated and how bad a country is. Worst thing is they are actually making everyone elses lives a living hell by being royal pains in the ass and impeding on everyone elses daily lives. <br /> <br /> <br />Sorry for my outburst the whole Bloc Quebecois not supporting our vets has gotten me really pissed off. <br />Personally I don't really care what their agenda is because its probably some insignificant bullshit like the smear campaign against Bennett (Cuntfucking Quebecers) [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />A little harsh even for my tastes! However, I have talked to many protestors and the problem is in my humble opinion: <br /> <br />Like this forum, they surround themselves whith like minded rhetoric, and never see another side of the story. Hence, they perpetuate there radical views, and push eachother on to more and more violent actions. (Not all protestors though <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> ) <br /> <br />The Ontario Coalition Against Poverty is an excellent example. good intentions initially, violent against anyone who tries to stake out a living though. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Sorry for mky outburst just I was veyr pissed about this whole Quebec thing and the fact that these protesters caused bennetts stock to plummet even further. So much for creating jobs in Northern NB assholes lol

[civiltech]

http://ftaaimc.org/images/2003/11/1152.jpg <br /> <br /> <br />I love it! It's true! It's true! <br />Like minded atomitons. Remember 1984? This is it...all brainwashed with the same message..."MUST FIGHT THE MAN!" <br /> <br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

[z_whalen]

Stymiest you are going nuts. Calm yourself. I think tempers are flaring a little too much around here lately so if your thinking about starting verbal attacks just cool down and count to ten or whatever. We're all very passionate about what we believe in here, but don't let it get out of control.

[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Stymiest you are going nuts. Calm yourself. I think tempers are flaring a little too much around here lately so if your thinking about starting verbal attacks just cool down and count to ten or whatever. We're all very passionate about what we believe in here, but don't let it get out of control.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />sorry Whalen I am just going to go finish a book and calm my hormones