[N_Fiddledog]

Making no claim this vid by Stephen Crowder represents fair-minded journalism, or objective representation of reality, I still have to wonder...how much of this is at least partially true.

How many of the stats presented here ($5600 for the average house in Detroit) are true? I know the city has problems, even if you ignore this Crowder expose. How much blame do the unions really have to accept responsibility for. How much, if any of this degradation of Detroit can be laid at the feet of leftist policies, as Crowder attempts to do here?



And even if you hate the partisan journalism you've gotta give him points for most creative use of the CGI Polar Bear commercial.

[ridenrain]

I watched that and was quite depressed. It's suprising none of those drug addicts tried to mug him either.

[Thanos]

Generally accurate. Detroit's demise is primarily the responsibility of bad liberal theories and of tribal African-American "get Whitey" politics. I think that he let the Big 3 management off the hook, though. I don't see where it's the UAW's fault that management chose to engineer and build such shitty cars for too many decades.

The anti-Obama intimations at the end were laughable though. If Obama's going to turn the entire country into one big wall-to-wall Detroit, then isn't George W. Bush responsible also for the thousands of tech and aerospace jobs during his reign that went overseas and left industrial-area Los Angeles as a virtual ghost town of empty factories and plants? This is the problem with the current American Right. Every time they actually have a good point to make they shoot themselves in the head with their idiotic anti-Obama rhetoric.

[coaster_dot]

Yeah, Detroit sucks. Been to and through it a few times...and every time I don't regret leaving. However, there are actually some very nice areas.

[xerxes]

I'd say it's mostly spot on. Though, the last I heard the average house price in Detriot was $18000....

You can also spread blame to the entire American manufacturing industry which shipped manufacturing jobs overseas as fast as they could in order to escape from unions who were trying to preserve something resembling a living wage for their workers.

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes wrote:

You can also spread blame to the entire American manufacturing industry which shipped manufacturing jobs overseas as fast as they could in order to escape from unions who were trying to preserve something resembling a living wage for their workers.

Huh? "a living wage"? Did Crowder get his facts wrong, or do I need you to negotiate my next raise for me?

Crowder says $74 an hour, $130,000 dollars a year, with percs coming out the yin-yang (7 weeks paid vacation, $1200 per car goes to employee benefits). I think I could maybe afford a few extra boxes of mac n cheese for that.

According to C the average Japanese company auto worker gets $42 an hour, and the average American private sector worker gets $24 an hour.

[xerxes]

Guess you and I have different standards...

[N_Fiddledog]

Hell yeah, we do. And not just me.

Say a guy is working on an assembly line for GM, making 74 bucks an hour. He loses his job, because his business can't compete when they're paying him that wage. Where's he going to get another job that pays him that kind of money?

He'd be dancing in the street if he could find another job at Toyota for 42.

[CommanderSock]

Detroit was too racially polarized for its own good.

Atlanta is an example of what Detroit 'could have' been if it wasn't for race politics. The big 3 also share responsibility but the city planners could have anticipated the decline of the manufacturing well before that.

Hurling insults at the left is idiotic. Atlanta, one of the wealthiest and blackest cities of America has been run by black leftist liberals since the 70s. Yet it is not comparable to Detroit.

Why? That's open to debate.

[N_Fiddledog]

Speaking of Atlanta, I was reading a pertinent one here...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/ ... /index.htm

It concerned an MIT study on how the Japanese use something called the Ohno (oh no ) system to build cars. It's more efficient. They can build better cars, faster, in a smaller space, and retain customer loyalty.

Here's where Atlanta comes in...

Quote:

The authors break their self-imposed rule on anonymous sources to identify Ford as the Western company most adept at manufacturing the Ohno way. The plant in Atlanta that makes the Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable is nearly as efficient as the best plant in Japan, and a Ford factory in Mexico produces better quality. Ford's success is attributed to its close ties to Mazda, as well as to the financial crisis it underwent in the early 1980s, which forced wrenching organizational changes.

[CommanderSock]

Atlanta's success derives from a plethora of wealthy and educated middle class service industry personnel of all colours.

Detroit was built on the backbone of cheap labour fom the deep south. It's arguable that perhaps if blacks had remained in the south they would have been better off after the civil rights bill was passed.

[N_Fiddledog]

CommanderSock wrote:

Atlanta's success derives from a plethora of wealthy and educated middle class service industry personnel of all colours.

Could you define "service industy" for me. I want to make sure I understand. Would that be bureaucrats? Is it like SEIU guys? SEIU means service employee international union, right? I'm pretty sure you don't mean waitresses, and such.

[CommanderSock]

N_Fiddledog wrote:

CommanderSock wrote:

Atlanta's success derives from a plethora of wealthy and educated middle class service industry personnel of all colours.

Could you define "service industy" for me. I want to make sure I understand. Would that be bureaucrats? Is it like SEIU guys? SEIU means service employee international union, right? I'm pretty sure you don't mean waitresses, and such.

Law firms, insurance companies, retail, banking, finance, and so on. High end white collar jobs.

[ManifestDestiny]

Detroit is a perfect example of what happens when black racists take over a city!
in the end there is no one to hate but there own people.

Coleman Young was mayor for 20 years he single handedly destroyed Detroit. he hated white people and did not hiide it. the media did though. Even that asshole
Former President Jimmy Carter called Young "one of the greatest mayors our country has known." Carter gave millions of dollars in federal aid to Detroit during his term after Young's support helped him win the 1976 presidential election.

"With compassion and vision, he provided the leadership that lifted Detroit from a climate of unprecedented violence to one of hope and greater prosperity," Carter said.

I dont think anyone bothered to show Jimmy the numbers.

[ManifestDestiny]

Maybe Jimmy Carter is the racist patting the negro on the back and let them think they are running the show keeping them all in one spot! I am starting to see this with liberals, most white liberals here in the Northeast (Home to most of them) dont live anywhere near black people!

Vermont perfect example its 99% white!