[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

In the US and Canada, the greatest threat is from the Christibans.

Substantiate this. Don't just parrot this bullshit, back it up.

Seriously? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opi ... 51097494/1

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Christian political engagement is changing in this country as believers seek to untangle their faith from the worldliness of partisan politics and ideology. The melding of Christianity and partisan politics has been 40 years in the making, but the costs of that entanglement have only become clear to Christians over the last decade.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... cs/283859/

The push for religion in govt comes mostly from Christians in the US. Muslim attempts are picayune in comparison. In Canada, as previously mentioned, we had the Christian Heritage Party until they couldn't get enough candidates to be deemed a party anymore.

[andyt]

Thanos Thanos:

To be fair to the right the left also does obnoxious things with textbooks too. For years now thousands of US high schools and universities have been flooded with texts by Howard Zinn, an unapologetic socialist who's entire theme was that the US was worse than Nazi Germany. There was rarely any protest against that kind of pap being forced on students, at least by anyone in the major media. The creationist/blessed-by-Jayzus stuff the righties want is of course total crap but the other side hasn't exactly been innocent of using the schools as a test bed for their own social experiments.

Actually I've read all sorts of protests against all sorts of left ideas being taught in school. I know about this because I read it in the media. Canada might skew more left in this than texas, but it doesn't take much of a skew to do that.

[Delwin]

I am as much a fan of anti-religious dogma as I am of religious dogma. As much as I would not want my kids being taught that the world was created 5000 years ago because it says so in this book, I also would not want them being taught dinosaurs walked the earth millions of years ago because scientists say so.

What is far more important that the facts being taught is the method being used to determine that which is fact.

I want my child being taught; this is a fossil, it is a prehistoric artifact, this is how they are formed, this is the implication of it's existence. It is evidence of this; as a result most scientist accept this to be factual.

I would prefer that children are taught from a position of fallibility and forced to think critically and draw their own conclusions based on evidence from first principals. As contradictory as the term sounds facts are subjective, until we know how to back them up with evidence.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

In the US and Canada, the greatest threat is from the Christibans.

Substantiate this. Don't just parrot this bullshit, back it up.

Seriously? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opi ... 51097494/1

$1:

Christian political engagement is changing in this country as believers seek to untangle their faith from the worldliness of partisan politics and ideology. The melding of Christianity and partisan politics has been 40 years in the making, but the costs of that entanglement have only become clear to Christians over the last decade.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... cs/283859/

The push for religion in govt comes mostly from Christians in the US. Muslim attempts are picayune in comparison. In Canada, as previously mentioned, we had the Christian Heritage Party until they couldn't get enough candidates to be deemed a party anymore.

How is it a threat that Christians wish to be more Christian?

[Delwin]

The report warns that small cells practicing “leaderless resistance” and “white supremacist lone wolves [posed] the most significant domestic terrorist threat.” Significantly, it highlighted the likelihood of expanded attempts by far-right extremists “to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.”

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Antigovernment conspiracy theories and “end times” prophecies could
motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons.
These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist
individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and
extremist members of the militia movement.

http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

[BartSimpson]

Delwin Delwin:

The report warns that small cells practicing “leaderless resistance” and “white supremacist lone wolves [posed] the most significant domestic terrorist threat.” Significantly, it highlighted the likelihood of expanded attempts by far-right extremists “to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.”

$1:

Antigovernment conspiracy theories and “end times” prophecies could
motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons.
These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist
individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and
extremist members of the militia movement.

http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

I've been hearing that same BULLSHIT since the Clinton Administration.

Yet for all this blather about Christians being a threat seems to me we actually have a threat in the form of the moslems who keep killing people in the US (but, of course, that has nothing to do with islam).

[Delwin]

Yet there are many Christian terror attacks on Religious minorities that you seem to ignore:

Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009.
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
The murder of Barnett Slepian by James Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998
Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994.
Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

No. Government needs to be free from religion, since otherwise there's no way to prevent bias. I didn't mean the part about freedom of religion, I meant references to God and so on. And a clear statement inserted that Canadian government is secular, period. Force the Quebecers to remove the cross from their legislature, leave hey nonny nonnies out of all government proceedings, including remembrance day. We can remember the fallen without invoking God. Each listener can then insert the deity of their choice in their own minds. God has no place in the public (ie government) realm. Hell, make insurance companies quit calling it acts of God - what bullshit that is.

In other words, you're demanding that your atheist beliefs, or lack thereof, be acknowledged and placed over and above the 67% of the population that still identifies themselves as Christian? Since you appear to be such an ardent defender of democracy, wouldn't it be more democratic to put that stuff up to a vote?

I also "like" how you brought up the CHPC and how they are no longer a party because of a lack of membership without mentioning the "small" fact that despite this country having a 67% Christian population, the CHPC was still shot down in flames.

[BartSimpson]

Delwin Delwin:

Yet there are many Christian terror attacks on Religious minorities that you seem to ignore:

Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009.
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
The murder of Barnett Slepian by James Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998
Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994.
Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995

More people than this were killed crossing the street.

In just Sacramento.

This year.

And the year isn't over.

And if all that were killed by moslems in the same period were the same number I'd have very little to worry about or say about moslems.

[Delwin]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Delwin Delwin:

Yet there are many Christian terror attacks on Religious minorities that you seem to ignore:

Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009.
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.
The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
The murder of Barnett Slepian by James Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998
Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994.
Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.
Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995

More people than this were killed crossing the street.

In just Sacramento.

This year.

And the year isn't over.

And if all that were killed by moslems in the same period were the same number I'd have very little to worry about or say about moslems.

Ummmm, pretty sure Oklahoma city bombing covers the street crossers in Sacramento. However, since the number of deaths is your qualifying factor of threat, we can now safely assume you are basing your entire Muslim threat assesment on 9/11. An act which was coordinated by maybe a dozen people.

Outside of that, exactly which

$1:

moslems who keep killing people in the US

are you referring to ? I'm thinking it equates to the same amount of people who die from tsetse fly disease in Alaska each year.

[PluggyRug]

Delwin Delwin:

.... you are basing your entire Muslim threat assesment on 9/11. An act which was coordinated by maybe a dozen people......

...and endorsed by millions.

[BartSimpson]

Delwin Delwin:

blah, blah, blah

Here, let's just cut to the chase, shall we? See, the Vast Right-Wing Christian Conspiracy (VRWCC, Inc.) keeps an enemies list and in between oppressing atheists and running the occasional massacre we single out certain people for assassination.

At the next meeting of the Church Bible Study and Star Chamber I'll add your name to The List and we'll send out the Ladies Auxilliary Knitting Circle and Wet Team to deal with you like you deserve.

There? Feel better?

[Delwin]

Yeah endorsed by millions. Were exactly is that from ? Got anything at all ?

[Delwin]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Delwin Delwin:

.... you are basing your entire Muslim threat assesment on 9/11. An act which was coordinated by maybe a dozen people......

...and endorsed by millions.

Which millions exactly, because this part sounds like BS

[Delwin]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Delwin Delwin:

.... you are basing your entire Muslim threat assesment on 9/11. An act which was coordinated by maybe a dozen people......

...and endorsed by millions.