[Scape]

Isn't death threats vs a senator illegal?

[Arctic_Menace]

Wow, Republicans really are the screaming torch and pitchfork mob of the old ages.

[Mr_Canada]

American politics are just retarded.

I thought our political ads suck. I saw a few American election commercials... Jesus Christ, I thought they were jokes!

[hwacker]

I’d do that exact same thing, who in the right (sane) mind would vote for a guy that had friends like that?

B-Ho has no right in being the POTUS, It’s lefties that think they can make a judgment call on crazy people, you know like turd boy and his ties with Fidel.

[Gunnair]

hwacker wrote:

I’d do that exact same thing, who in the right (sane) mind would vote for a guy that had friends like that?

B-Ho has no right in being the POTUS, It’s lefties that think they can make a judgment call on crazy people, you know like turd boy and his ties with Fidel.

Sure you would, forum hero.

There's a lot of things you would do... but don't.

[djakeydd]

hwacker wrote:

I’d do that exact same thing, who in the right (sane) mind would vote for a guy that had friends like that?

B-Ho has no right in being the POTUS, It’s lefties that think they can make a judgment call on crazy people, you know like turd boy and his ties with Fidel.

Only figures that you would be a rabid Harper supporter - you suit the mentality to a tee.

[hwacker]

Gunnair wrote:

hwacker wrote:

I’d do that exact same thing, who in the right (sane) mind would vote for a guy that had friends like that?

B-Ho has no right in being the POTUS, It’s lefties that think they can make a judgment call on crazy people, you know like turd boy and his ties with Fidel.

Sure you would, forum hero.

There's a lot of things you would do... but don't.

I guess you would vote for a guy that has buddies like that, maybe you have buddies like that too?

B-Ho is just another crazy left freak that is having his life put on display for the rest of the world too see.

[travior]

I generally try to not watch television for the entire 365.25 days preceeding an election. It is death-by-political-ad season. Most do not even come close to talking about anything remotely close to the issues.

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McCain Considering Conceding Election Soon

Travior, I know what you mean. I hear people on this board every day calling Harper a liar, thief a scoundrel and the Con supporters cry even worse about Taliban Jack and Not a leader Dion but never, and I mean never have I seen or heard one of them say we should kill them, not once. Now don't you suppose, just for a moment, that this is not something trivial here? Does it sound like this is gone to the realm beyond tut-tutting here? If there were lefties on this board posting and praying that McCain got one more bout of skin cancer and hoping for his imminent demise you would hear no end of the outrage by the tightie nighties. So could you cut the crap for a minute? This is obscene and if McCain doesn't man up in short order and sort this shit out that says tons about his character but it also says a lot about the same ones who would give this a pass without a second thought under the guise of politics as usual BS. No this isn't.

[travior]

I do not wish Obama ill will. I am not pro-McCain but I am anti-Obama. I do not believe he is the right person to be president. However, I do not condone assassinations no matter how much I dislike the man. McCain, unless there is a miracle, is going to lose. It is not because Obama won, but because McCain lost.

He failed to distance himself enough from Bush. Bush is the primary reason that Obama is going to win. He had multiple opportunities to swing the momentum in his favour but did not act upon it. I will enjoy watching the idiots that vote for Obama realise too late that the only change that will occur is more taxation, more government and more welfare programs paid for by the few of us that still pay taxes or still have a job.

You are right in saying that McCain should immediately step in front of the camera and publicly condemn any mention of assassinations. That should never be an option considered in a civil society.

We are in for a long 4 or 8 years. I just hope that there is enough of the country and/or world left for the next president to piece back together after this one is done.

What blows my mind is how the man is even allowed to run for office after having been an Indonesian citizen. Even if he himself did not choose to become one, he did by virtue of his mother marrying an Indonesian citizen and being claimed by the step-father as being his son. The 1930 Hague treaty states that matters of citizenship in one country must be honored by the others. At the time of Obama's citizenship of Indonesia, Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. So, technically, even if he WAS born in Hawaii, he would have no longer been a US citizen after his 5 years in Indonesia. There is no record of him being naturalized upon his return either.

I will just be glad when the whole mess is over. The issues surrounding the last two elections do not hold a candle to the implications surrounding this one. And his race has absolutely no bearing on my decision or opinions. If Powell had ran this time I would have voted for him in a heartbeat no matter which ticket he ran on.

[llama66]

do you think McCain would concede before the election? I would think that would upset alot of people who would vote for McCain. Politics is a strange beast, it can make a person unreasonable. interesting find none-the-less.

[llama66]

I think in all honesty, the next president who ever it may be is going to be doomed, just because of the enormous economic issues that face the US right now. It will be a long 4 or 8 years for sure.

[travior]

lily wrote:

I don't understand why this is an issue. It seems like trying to win a case on a technicality. Obama was born in the US, therefore he's a natural born citizen. And you want him disqualified simply because his mom remarried and the man adopted her kids?

My point is that he should have never been allowed to get this far in his bid for President. Under the laws on the books of both nations at the time, he should be disqualified. Just because he is popular doesn't mean that he shouldn't abide by the laws like everyone else.

A friend of ours has a son that was born in Taiwan. They are both US citizens but were living in Taiwan at the time. The moved back to the US before the boy was old enough to know where Taiwan was, much less be influenced by the country. He is still not a natural born citizen and is therefore disqualified from being President.

When we begin bending or overlooking the rules regarding citizenship, it leads to a slippery slope. Where do we end? Who gets the rules bent and who doesn't? There is circumstantial evidence that Obama was still using his Indonesian citizenship even around age 20 to enter Pakistan when at the time Pakistan was not allowing US citizens to enter. There might be hard evidence but I have not seen a copy of his passports so I will leave that up to the courts to decide.

So, yes, when it comes to matters of citizenship and being legally able to run for president, I think those laws should be followed to the letter.

[xerxes]

llama66 wrote:

I think in all honesty, the next president who ever it may be is going to be doomed, just because of the enormous economic issues that face the US right now. It will be a long 4 or 8 years for sure.

Honestly, I think it will take longer than that. In some areas (especially the judiciary) it will take decades to undo the damage Bush has done. And as much as I want Obama to win, I fear that whatever his plans are, he' going to be hamstrung by the legacies of Bush's disastrous reign.

[travior]

lily wrote:

Travior:

Your friend's son was born in Taiwan. Obama was born in Hawaii.

No difference.

It is not the fault of my friends' son that he was born outside of US territory and yet he is disqualified. It is not Obama's fault that his mother took him to a country that requires relinquishing of foreign citizenship for their citizens prior to 2006, but it did happen. That disqualifies him.

There should be no exceptions made in the law regarding citizenship. If an exception is made for Obama then they might as well throw out the Hague treaty.