[xerxes]

I’ll admit I was surprised to learn that, so thank you for posting that. Before though, I did mean executive orders like Llama mention in his post above mine.

I would say though, are any of the “national emergencies” on that list there for BS reasons? Because Trump admitted today in his loony speech today that there really isn’t an emergency, he just wants his wall Congress be damned.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

I’ll admit I was surprised to learn that, so thank you for posting that. Before though, I did mean executive orders like Llama mention in his post above mine.

I would say though, are any of the “national emergencies” on that list there for BS reasons? Because Trump admitted today in his loony speech today that there really isn’t an emergency, he just wants his wall Congress be damned.

Whatever DJT needs to do to execute the Secure Fence Act of 2006 is fine by me.

He really does have an actual law on his side here.

[N_Fiddledog]

The only problem I would have with Trump proclaiming a national emergency on the Wall is if the Socialists Democrats took power it could embolden them to call something like a national climate emergency and use it to further embed their red agenda.

[xerxes]

Or declare one to institute actual gun control. The right would collectively go insane.

But what will most likely happen, after this is defeated in the courts, is that presidential power will be curtailed. Which will probably be a good thing.

[PluggyRug]

xerxes xerxes:

Or declare one to institute actual gun control. The right would collectively go insane.

[N_Fiddledog]

Also that would actually, for real, fly in the face of the Constitution.

Even more flagrantly than an Obama Executive Order.

Ever heard of the second amendment?

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

Or declare one to institute actual gun control. The right would collectively go insane.

A President can declare gun control. It'll take a military to impose it and if they do then that's a civil war. Highly unlikely.

xerxes xerxes:

But what will most likely happen, after this is defeated in the courts, is that presidential power will be curtailed. Which will probably be a good thing.

The US Supreme Court will uphold the action because it's authorized by Congress in the 2006 law.

Even liberal Justice Breyer is expected to support the President on this one given that he wrote the majority opinion on the last such case that came before the court.

[xerxes]

The court case will not be about the 2006 law though. It will be about todays declaration of a national emergency which it demonstrably and by Trumps own words, it ain’t.

[xerxes]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Also that would actually, for real, fly in the face of the Constitution.

Even more flagrantly than an Obama Executive Order.

Ever heard of the second amendment?

It wouldn’t have to be an outright ban on guns. What if it was a ban on any firearm over a certain muzzle velocity or rounds per min? Or, to please all the constitutional originalists, you can only own muzzle loading guns like the Brown Bess.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

The court case will not be about the 2006 law though. It will be about todays declaration of a national emergency which it demonstrably and by Trumps own words, it ain’t.

The 2006 law said to secure the border.

The border is demonstrably not secure.

Trump is then acting in his Executive authority as delegated by the Constitution and in using the National Emergency authority authorized to the President by the Congress over forty years ago.

If Congress doesn't like it they can repeal the law that granted the President the legal authority to do what he's doing...and that means immediately voiding all of the other extant National Emergency orders.

This US Supreme Court is not going to overturn Trump on this one and they're also spoiling for a fight with the 1,700+ lower courts to reign in their delusional claims of supremacy over the President and the Congress.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

It wouldn’t have to be an outright ban on guns. What if it was a ban on any firearm over a certain muzzle velocity or rounds per min? Or, to please all the constitutional originalists, you can only own muzzle loading guns like the Brown Bess.

You might want to take a look at the brewing confrontation between the elected Sheriffs in Washington State and their attorney general.

That civil war I mentioned just might start if Washington State Patrol officers go to war against the rural counties and their law enforcement officers.

It won't be cops vs. citizens, it'll be cops vs. cops.

[BartSimpson]

$1:

Search WhiteHouse.gov

Statements & Releases Text of a Letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate

National Security & Defense

Issued on: February 15, 2019

Dear Madam Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

Pursuant to section 201 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1621), I hereby report that I have exercised my authority to declare a national emergency in order to address the border security and humanitarian crisis that is threatening the United States. This declaration invokes section 12302 of title 10, United States Code, to allow the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of each relevant military department, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, to order units or members of the Ready Reserve to active duty in order to assist and support the activities of the Secretary of Homeland Security at the southern border.

Further, I have invoked section 2808 of title 10, United States Code, and authorized the Secretary of Defense, and at his discretion, the Secretaries of the military departments, to exercise the authority under that section to engage in emergency construction as necessary to support the use of the Armed Forces and respond to the crisis at our southern border.

I am enclosing a copy of the Proclamation I have issued.

Sincerely,

DONALD J. TRUMP White House Logo The White House

[xerxes]

$1:

The border is demonstrably not secure.

By every measure it is.

- Illegal border crossings at an all time low
- Deportations of illegals at an all time high since the Obama years
- Most drugs come in through normal ports of entry

And again. Trump ADMITTED ON CAMERA IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, that it isn't really an emergency, he just wants his fucking wall. Well I hope it's super absorbent for all the MAGA idiots who are going to go jerk off over it.

[Douwe]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The only problem I would have with Trump proclaiming a national emergency on the Wall is if the Socialists Democrats took power it could embolden them to call something like a national climate emergency and use it to further embed their red agenda.

Socialist Democrats? I think you might want to study ideologies more carefully. By the standards of other democracies the Democrats are right of centre. If the party existed in Canada Andrew Scheer would be its proud leader.

In any case you're right about the problem with Trump's so-called "national emergency." If approved it would allow any future president to use the same tactic to bypass Congress.

[BRAH]

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