[Mr_Canada]

Proculation wrote:

Mr_Canada wrote:

Lmfao there is no one to force you to work. There is no one who would have the power to have such a say over you.

I really wish people who aren't communists would stop trying to tell me what communism 'is'.

What happens in communist system if someone doesn't participate to the global toil ?

Nothing.

You are looked down upon for not being all you can be and being an Objectivist asshole.

[Proculation]

Mr_Canada wrote:

Proculation wrote:

Mr_Canada wrote:

Lmfao there is no one to force you to work. There is no one who would have the power to have such a say over you.

I really wish people who aren't communists would stop trying to tell me what communism 'is'.

What happens in communist system if someone doesn't participate to the global toil ?

Nothing.

You are looked down upon for not being all you can be and being an Objectivist asshole.

And after that ?

[Proculation]

Mr_Canada wrote:

Proculation wrote:

Mr_Canada wrote:

19.

So you are 19 years old. Take that 19 and minus the ~5 years where you are more than likely trying to discover the basics of life. That gives you 13 years where you are developing your extern social behaviours and how it affects your life and others'.

Be frank here and tell me that's not a lot to understand a world where millions of people lived before us from years. Let's say that the average life expectancy was about 50 during only the last thousand year. And then, that during that thousand years, about 5 billions persons (totally made up, but it doesn't matter) lived. That's 5,000,000,000 x 50 = 250,000,000,000 years of knowledge by those individuals. They built our world. Our society.

And, you are 19.

Doesn't it sound a bell that MAYBE you are wrong ?

It occurs to me everyday that I might be wrong. And when I'm convinced of it, I change my opinions.

So far, I haven't been convinced.

And nothing has convinced me that what we live in now is 'right'.

I also don't pretend to 'know more' than those in history or even today.

You don't believe this strange argument applies to yourself just as much as it applies to me?

That strange argument is actually the foundation of our society.

[Mr_Canada]

Again, you don't believe it applies to yourself as well as anyone else?

[EyeBrock]

Mr_Canada wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSGvqjVHik8

Ugh... I don't even consider 19 to be 'adult'...

Maybe not you. I joined up at 16 and a half.

By 18 I'd seen a lot of dead people.

Occupy away. Apparently the sandwiches are good at these occupy things..

[Proculation]

Mr_Canada wrote:

Again, you don't believe it applies to yourself as well as anyone else?

Reality applies to me and I have to deal with it everyday. What about you ?

[Unsound]

Proculation wrote:

I was talking in your terms. By 'you', I meant plurial 'you'. 'Vous' in french instead of 'tu'. (Why don't you difference that in english ??).

We do. The americans invented it. Vous = Y'all

[Mr_Canada]

Proculation wrote:

Mr_Canada wrote:

Again, you don't believe it applies to yourself as well as anyone else?

Reality applies to me and I have to deal with it everyday. What about you ?

Ah I get it. I'm an idiot and you aren't.

Whatever dude.

[Mr_Canada]

EyeBrock wrote:

Mr_Canada wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSGvqjVHik8

Ugh... I don't even consider 19 to be 'adult'...

Maybe not you. I joined up at 16 and a half.

By 18 I'd seen a lot of dead people.

Occupy away. Apparently the sandwiches are good at these occupy things..

I wouldn't wish the glimpse of death on even a 40 year old's mind. If you think that makes you a stronger person then good on you, but I will never be a part of such a thing as war.

[ShepherdsDog]

EyeBrock wrote:

Mr_Canada wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSGvqjVHik8

Ugh... I don't even consider 19 to be 'adult'...

Maybe not you. I joined up at 16 and a half.

By 18 I'd seen a lot of dead people.

Occupy away. Apparently the sandwiches are good at these occupy things..

Didn't see any dead people while serving. Saw plenty of dead and dying, men, women and children the year after my release though, and it was 2005 when I lost a couple of coworkers to land mines.

[Psudo]

FieryVulpine wrote:

Psudo wrote:

Boom and bust apply to the nature of the universe. High and low tides, flood and drought, population explosions and extinctions. Blaming it on capitalism sounds a bit like calling capitalism a law of nature.

Does that mean Marxism is a form of entropy?

Only in the sense that bad assumptions lead to bad conclusions. My point was that capitalism does not cause the boom/bust cycle. Rather, turbulence is an inherent trait of the universe this side of heat death, and the boom/bust cycle is merely the economic turbulence inherent to economic activity. The most you can blame on any economic system is making it a little worse or a little better. Capitalism as a law of nature was my characterization of the reasoning in Mr_Canada's statement as absurd, not my own opinion of capitalism.

Proculation, Mr_Canada is not wrong because of his age, nor is it impossible for one individual to be right when the rest of humanity is wrong. He's wrong because of his logic, and you're using some pretty terrible logic in your attempt to refute him.

sandorski, if you don't have anything more to add than "Fail" or "/facepalm," negative rep points express those sentiments better than meaningless forum posts. Otherwise, you're responding to shallow reasoning by sinking to it's level. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Mr_Canada please provide arguments with your posts. Your Marx quote doesn't remotely defend your dubious theory that capitalism is to blame for the boom/bust cycle.

[sandorski]

Psudo wrote:

FieryVulpine wrote:

Psudo wrote:

Boom and bust apply to the nature of the universe. High and low tides, flood and drought, population explosions and extinctions. Blaming it on capitalism sounds a bit like calling capitalism a law of nature.

Does that mean Marxism is a form of entropy?

Only in the sense that bad assumptions lead to bad conclusions. My point was that capitalism does not cause the boom/bust cycle. Rather, turbulence is an inherent trait of the universe this side of heat death, and the boom/bust cycle is merely the economic turbulence inherent to economic activity. The most you can blame on any economic system is making it a little worse or a little better. Capitalism as a law of nature was my characterization of the reasoning in Mr_Canada's statement as absurd, not my own opinion of capitalism.

Proculation, Mr_Canada is not wrong because of his age, nor is it impossible for one individual to be right when the rest of humanity is wrong. He's wrong because of his logic, and you're using some pretty terrible logic in your attempt to refute him.

sandorski, if you don't have anything more to add than "Fail" or "/facepalm," negative rep points express those sentiments better than meaningless forum posts. Otherwise, you're responding to shallow reasoning by sinking to it's level. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Mr_Canada please provide arguments with your posts. Your Marx quote doesn't remotely defend your dubious theory that capitalism is to blame for the boom/bust cycle.

If that's all you got, Neg Rep away. :shrug:

[Psudo]

Actually, I was advising you to use neg reps instead of long quotes followed by "Fail."

[Tricks]

Mr_Canada wrote:

I wouldn't wish the glimpse of death on even a 40 year old's mind. If you think that makes you a stronger person then good on you, but I will never be a part of such a thing as war.

Well no worries about this "revolution" gents. Methinks we're gonna be just fine.

[DanSC]

Mr_Canada wrote:

Capitalism did it! Boom and bust! This will always be happening.

It will always be happening, be it under laissez-faire capitalism or under complete socialism. Socialism doesn't provide rain for crops to grow.

For myself, I don't blame the institution of Wall Street, but the suit-wearing frat bros who bet everything on their perceived invincibility.