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Author:  Newsbot [ Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:49 am ]
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Title: Rebels And Elites Aren't Always What They Seem
Written By: JaredMilne
Date: Friday, March 27 at 08:07
With the demise of Sun News Network last month, Ezra Levant announced that he planned to start a new online news network. The network is called “Rebel Media”, presumably to mark Levant and his colleagues as rebels against a presumably left-wing elite that makes up so much of the “Media Party” Levant talks about.
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Author:  Individualist [ Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:49 am ]
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"Elite" and "elitism" have become pretty much useless as descriptors of anything. For the left, elite basically means "rich white guys". For the right, elite mean "academic/cultural snobs, who may or may not be rich". Accusations of elitism uttered by one side cannot be comprehended by the other. I've stopped using those words for precisely that reason.

As for rebels, while the Laurentian Consensus has been on the back foot for a while, their power is still well-entrenched within many of our key institutions, particularly those located within dense urban cores. In fact, the old east-west dynamic has given way to an urban versus suburban/rural one such that the Consensus may need to re-label itself, perhaps as the Downtown Consensus. In any case, there is still plenty of that old power structure to rebel against, the current sitting government notwithstanding. The fact that a relatively unaccomplished 40-something can run for leadership of the country essentially on the last name he shares with that most Laurentian of Prime Ministers says volumes about the residual power of the Consensus.

Author:  BeaverFever [ Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:17 am ]
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Individualist Individualist:
"Elite" and "elitism" have become pretty much useless as descriptors of anything. For the left, elite basically means "rich white guys". For the right, elite mean "academic/cultural snobs, who may or may not be rich". Accusations of elitism uttered by one side cannot be comprehended by the other. I've stopped using those words for precisely that reason.

As for rebels, while the Laurentian Consensus has been on the back foot for a while, their power is still well-entrenched within many of our key institutions, particularly those located within dense urban cores. In fact, the old east-west dynamic has given way to an urban versus suburban/rural one such that the Consensus may need to re-label itself, perhaps as the Downtown Consensus. In any case, there is still plenty of that old power structure to rebel against, the current sitting government notwithstanding. The fact that a relatively unaccomplished 40-something can run for leadership of the country essentially on the last name he shares with that most Laurentian of Prime Ministers says volumes about the residual power of the Consensus.


Not a bad post but I'll point out that Harper was similarly unaccomplished, having neither experience in a governing party nor the private sector. I think that just means that there is also an Alberta counterpart to the Laurentian Consensus; it just lacks a name. The Athabaskan consensus perhaps?

Author:  Individualist [ Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:40 am ]
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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Not a bad post but I'll point out that Harper was similarly unaccomplished, having neither experience in a governing party nor the private sector. I think that just means that there is also an Alberta counterpart to the Laurentian Consensus; it just lacks a name. The Athabaskan consensus perhaps?


It's a shame "The Rebel Alliance" was already taken. ;-)

The "Harper as mail room boy" retort that's become de rigueur among Trudeau supporters may have some validity, but it ignores the key role Harper played behind the scenes with regard to the Reform Party and its descendants. Plus, it reeks of classism. While the attacks on Trudeau are a variation on the "trust fund baby" stereotype, the mailroom diss plays on the fact that Harper isn't from "a political family" in the way that Trudeau and, yes, Preston Manning were. He wasn't a spawn of the political or media class. He came from the mail room rather than the boardroom, and thus is seen as a pushy outsider who worked his way in - a party crasher, if you will.

I think that sense of being a besieged outsider fending off the antibodies of the better-connected affected Harper in the same way it affected Richard Nixon. That perhaps explains the frequent comparisons between the two.

Author:  RickW [ Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:44 am ]
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The "behind the scenes" stabbing in the back of David Orchard perchance? Indicative of the way he governs for sure!

Author:  Individualist [ Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:01 am ]
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RickW RickW:
The "behind the scenes" stabbing in the back of David Orchard perchance? Indicative of the way he governs for sure!


Thanks for the reminder that the Red Tories were as much part of the Consensus as the Liberals, and were no slouches when it came to left-wing anti-Americanism. I should have probably added Orchard and George Grant (and Ron Dart of course) to the list of Canadian nationalists I cited in Jared's other thread.

Still, playing a role in protecting the Canadian conservative movement from David Orchard certainly adds more to one's qualifications for the PM's job than painting picnic tables with Katimavik.

Author:  RickW [ Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:04 pm ]
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That's certainly an interesting twist you have given recent history......methinks Mackay played the role of Brutus primarily for the helicopter rides.

Author:  RickW [ Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:16 am ]
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Individualist Individualist:

The "Harper as mail room boy" retort that's become de rigueur among Trudeau supporters may have some validity, but it ignores the key role Harper played behind the scenes with regard to the Reform Party and its descendants. Plus, it reeks of classism. While the attacks on Trudeau are a variation on the "trust fund baby" stereotype, the mailroom diss plays on the fact that Harper isn't from "a political family" in the way that Trudeau and, yes, Preston Manning were. He wasn't a spawn of the political or media class. He came from the mail room rather than the boardroom, and thus is seen as a pushy outsider who worked his way in - a party crasher, if you will.

I think that sense of being a besieged outsider fending off the antibodies of the better-connected affected Harper in the same way it affected Richard Nixon. That perhaps explains the frequent comparisons between the two.

Now that the Walrus has at it's helm Jonathon Kaye, articles of this sort will become "nostalgic":
http://thewalrus.ca/born-in-the-burbs/

Author:  Individualist [ Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:35 pm ]
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RickW RickW:
http://thewalrus.ca/born-in-the-burbs/


Thank you Rick for finding a writer who simultaneously embodies the arrogance and snobbery of both the old Laurentian Consensus and the modern urban left in Canada. You saved me the trouble of finding him myself. ;-)

Author:  Individualist [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:50 pm ]
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Individualist Individualist:
Thank you Rick for finding a writer who simultaneously embodies the arrogance and snobbery of both the old Laurentian Consensus and the modern urban left in Canada. You saved me the trouble of finding him myself. ;-)


A common thread which seems to run through many criticisms of Harper, including the one referenced by you, is a focus on his introverted nature, the implication being that an introvert has no business being Prime Minister of Canada. As an introvert myself, I find this notion that being one should disqualify a person from leadership positions offensive.

You find a similar extrovert-bias in the urbanist agenda, which assumes that squeezing people into closer proximity to one another and forcing strangers to interact more through urban design and planning is unquestionably a good thing.

I guess introversion has become the new left-handedness.

Author:  DrCaleb [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:59 am ]
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Individualist Individualist:
I guess introversion has become the new left-handedness.


Harper's not an introvert. 'Shy' people don't run for public office, or get on stage and play the piano and sing to a crowd.

He's a control freak, not an introvert. He doesn't want himself or his caucus to repeat the blunders that people like Sid Blanchett fed the opposition's label of the Reform Party as 'racist'. So, he controls the MPs and controls the message. Sid Blanchett, and people like him were racists, not the Reform party. But if you repeat a lie often enough . . .

Author:  Individualist [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:53 pm ]
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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Harper's not an introvert. 'Shy' people don't run for public office, or get on stage and play the piano and sing to a crowd.


Well, first of all, introverted != shy.

Secondly, Peter Gabriel found a way to get on stage and perform for crowds, despite being introverted, particularly in his early years with Genesis. The flamboyant costumes and alternate personas from that era helped with that, as it has with other introverted musicians/performers.

Author:  RickW [ Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:14 pm ]
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Finding talking to we hoi polloi "distasteful" is not the same as being introverted.

Author:  Individualist [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:05 pm ]
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RickW RickW:
Finding talking to we hoi polloi "distasteful" is not the same as being introverted.


Funny. The very article you posted the link to seemed to suggest (and quite convincingly too) that Harper is more of the hoi polloi than the various lawyers, Bay Street insiders and academics who preceded him, and that he has as little need for the company of the rich as for that of anyone else.

Sounds like you're suffering what some have called "Harper Derangement Syndrome".

Author:  RickW [ Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:44 pm ]
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Individualist Individualist:

Funny. The very article you posted the link to seemed to suggest (and quite convincingly too) that Harper is more of the hoi polloi than the various lawyers, Bay Street insiders and academics who preceded him, and that he has as little need for the company of the rich as for that of anyone else.

Sounds like you're suffering what some have called "Harper Derangement Syndrome".
Funny thing about "the various lawyers, Bay Street insiders and academics who preceded him" is that most have not inherited their wealth, and therefore has "risen" from the ranks of the bottom dwellers. Harper is of that ilk.

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