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| Author: | Robert Payne [ Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:25 pm ] |
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<strong>Written By:</strong> Robert Payne <strong>Date:</strong> 2004-11-06 14:25:00 <a href="/article/142530620-ohio-machine-gave-bush-extra-votes">Article Link</a> Deducting the erroneous Bush votes from his total could not change the election's outcome, and there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. <p> Franklin is the only Ohio county to use Danaher Controls Inc.'s ELECTronic 1242, an older-style touchscreen voting system. Danaher did not immediately return a message for comment. <p> Sean Greene, research director with the nonpartisan Election Reform Information Project, said that while the glitch appeared minor "that could change if more of these stories start coming out.'' <p> In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost in this election because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. <p> And in San Francisco, a malfunction with custom voting software could delay efforts to declare the winners of four races for county supervisor. <p> In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded to eight memory locations, including a removable cartridge, according to Verified Voting Foundation, an e-voting watchdog group. After voting ends, the cartridge is either transported to a tabulation facility or its data sent via modem. <p> Kimball Brace, president of the consulting firm Election Data Services, said it's possible the fault lies with the software that tallies the votes from individual cartridges rather than the machines or the cartridges themselves. <p> Either way, he said, such tallying software ought to have a way to ensure that the totals don't exceed the number of voters. <P> County officials did not return calls seeking details. <P> Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch that on one of the three machines at that precinct, a malfunction occurred when its cartridge was plugged into a reader and generated a faulty number. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred. <P> Damschroder said people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said. <p> The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race on the machine. <P> Other electronic machines used in Ohio do not use the type of computer cartridge involved in the error, state officials say. <p> Meanwhile, in San Francisco, a glitch occurred with software designed for the city's new "ranked-choice voting," in which voters list their top three choices for municipal offices. If no candidate gets a majority of first-place votes outright, voters' second and third-place preferences are then distributed among candidates who weren't eliminated in the first round. <p> When the San Francisco Department of Elections tried a test run on Wednesday of the program that does the redistribution, some of the votes didn't get counted and skewed the results, director John Arntz said. <P> "All the information is there," Arntz said. "It's just not arriving the way it was supposed to.'' <p> A technician from the Omaha, Neb. company that designed the software, Election Systems & Software Inc., was working to diagnose and fix the problem. |
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| Author: | Calumny [ Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:31 pm ] |
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Another benefit of private sector involvement in public sector activities. --- "When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith). |
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| Author: | gaulois [ Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:38 pm ] |
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Dear Calumny: since I have been called a "gaulcon" (hey I am in Western Canada afterall), I may as well stick out on this. Yes it is clear that this election was a huge fraud (and Moore will make his next megabuck movie out of this). I would gess that the Americans can't call the scam 'cause the markets will collapse and a lot of people would get hurt. With this being said, I would not suggest that this was screwed up simply because there was private sector involvement. There could have been as much of a fraud had it been strictly a public sector affair. The rot goes higher up and that is where the fault is. There is nothing wrong with P3s IMHO other than the rot running it above. Ultimately the population always gets what it deserves. Demagogy never helps. Perhaps there was too much of it known as Bush bashing. People ended up feeling sorry for him and reelected the clown. Now we are stuck with this... --- "We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow" |
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| Author: | shadowibis [ Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:47 am ] |
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This is a private sector, public sector collaboration whereby a major contributor to the Republican Party in the US, also happens to be the owner of the Diebold, paperless (NO HARDCOPY), electronic voting machines. This is how I understand it. You see nothing wrong with that? And may Bush and all of his evangelical desciples rot in Hell. |
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| Author: | Dave Ruston [ Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:37 am ] |
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What this is, is democracy destroyed, and corporate fascism strengthened. They fixed the election. Simple. and there have been some demonstrations in the USA over another stolen election, and the media, Canadian and American, fail to address it! I thought our veterans fought against this type of thing? --- Dave Ruston |
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| Author: | Janis Schmidt [ Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:20 pm ] |
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I was just reading through Truthout's comments on how the computers can be hacked to rig the vote, and no one will be held accountable, because there is absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing. That this is happening is so totally macabe. While they were outsourcing, the brains must have been the first to go. I do hope the dollar hits rock bottom, belly up, worth as much as the Confederate currency. And I hope the Markets crash, can't happen soon enough. Because I am afraid this is the only kind of thing that is going to stop this psychotic madness. Dinkering with the voting machines will not solve the problem. |
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| Author: | gaulois [ Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:38 pm ] |
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Shadowisbis: I do see lots wrong with the rot. But I do not want to isolate the rot strictly to the P3s. I think P3s can work if we have accountable politicians and citizens involved in making their democracy work. The public sector can definitely screw things up just as badly when unchallenged, with unaccountable politicians and dysfunctional democracies. Yes I do agree that this US election was a huge fraud. --- "We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow" |
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| Author: | Janis Schmidt [ Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:37 pm ] |
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It's now either seceed or revolt. And Americans aren't up to either one. They are too soft, too lazy, too brainwashed to do much of anything but shop. |
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| Author: | kwantize [ Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:17 pm ] |
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<blockquote>and there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for [honorary Bush-Cheney "reëlection" cochairman] Kenneth Blackwell</blockquote> Oh really? So <a href='http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html'>what caused some Cuyahoga County precincts to have twice as many votes as voters</a>? Two, on that page, with >10×? <p>Anyone watch <i><a href='http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos_celeb.jhtml'>Daily Show</a></i> last night? It was a rerun of Nov 3—and Stewart actually said something like "too bad there wasn't any fraud in Cuyahoga County"! You may be able to play the IV w/ Schumer and hear it. |
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| Author: | shadowibis [ Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:15 pm ] |
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Yeah but you don't want the private sector fiddling with your vote. At least if it stays in public hands, you have the competing parties policing each other while hopefully conducting a verifiable tabulation of votes. Think of it as too much opportunity for further corruption then. I think what you're saying is balanced and true. In any other instance I can see your POV, but not for voting. peace |
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